Heavy Handed?

[cycloneworld]

I thought the Morgan defenses were fun to watch too. They would sell out, go 100% and try to make the big play. This worked great when they had shotblockers back as a backup for a failed gamble.

I just puked. I absolutely hated Morgan's defense. Sit in the zone and let the other team bomb open 3 after open 3. We won the game if the other team had an off shooting night and we lost if they hit them. Terrible, terrible defense.

His offense was great to watch. It reminded me of the way Tennessee and Memphis played offensively this year. With ANY kind of man-to-man offense, I still think Wayne would be here.

 

[bfnnhn]

Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga

 

[scottie33]

Rome was not built in a day. This thread might have merit if we are sitting in a similar situation in April of 2010 or 11.

The rome was built in a day thing reminded me of something.

Did anyone go to "meet the coaches night" before last year athletics started off? I believe John Walters was talking to the crowd, and he mentioned how he overheard a couple people talking about building up our programs and one dude goes "Well Rome wasn't built in a day" and the other one goes "yeah, well Jamie Pollard wasn't at the helm either!" Haha, I think it was something around those lines. But it was a great saying none-the-less.

I think JP is doing an excellent job. He is taking the initiative to make our University more prominent, our athletics to another level, and our place in history even greater. To make something great, sometimes you need to take gambles/chances, Jamie has done so thus far, and it is paying off I believe. He is going out to make changes, and not sitting back waiting for the changes to come to him.

I am also surprised on how fast he replies on any email you send him! I'm sure there are a lot of ADs out there that just disregard emails to them especially the ones that are negative in nature. JP will reply if you have concerns, praise, or displeasure and that speaks volumes of him!

 

[cyclonenum1]

I've really never understood why every time Coach Morgan is brought up in a thread, he's severely bashed. Like it or not, he's part of the ISU coaching history, and that is not going to EVER change. Get over it.

Let me help you out...McDermott is an "Iowa boy" as are most of the people that post on this board. Morgan is a city slicker from outside the midwest and about 98% of Iowans just can't relate to him.

 

[StLouisClone]

Our MBB team was better than people might think. It's easy to look at our record (14-18) and say that we stink, but we only played terrible in three games (at Drake, at KU and at KSU). We lost those three games by a combined 84 points.

For the season, ISU was outscored by an average of only 1.6 points (64.0 to 65.6). And that was in a year that the Big 12 was extremely tough. ISU has bounced back before. Orr was 12-19 in '90-91 and he went 21-13 the next year. ISU was 14-13 the year before Floyd took over and went 23-11. Eustachy went from 15-15 in his first year to 32-5 in his second year.

McDermott will get it done if he can get the right combination of players. It only takes one new player to make a difference in college basketball. Orr had Hoiberg arrive in '91-92. Floyd had Cato in '95-96. Eustachy had Tinsley in '99-00.

 

[isucyfan]

Let me help you out...McDermott is an "Iowa boy" as are most of the people that post on this board. Morgan is a city slicker from outside the midwest and about 98% of Iowans just can't relate to him.

Oh, please. I don't buy this. I am an "Iowa boy" that moved to a big city. I can relate to both coaches, and I think even if I didn't have one foot in both worlds, I could.

We can all relate to a coach of a winning, disciplined, and clean program. I hope that's coming.

 

[cyclonenum1]

If Wayne's teams were so "much fun"...How come "The Hilton Coliseum" was half empty??


Waiting for an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yes:

How about some facts for you:

Average attendance numbers:

Johnny Orr 14 years - 12,401
Tim Floyd 4 years - 11,903
Larry Eustachy 5 years - 11,380
Wayne Morgan 3 years - 11,472
Greg McDermott 1 year - 12,489 (I only have the numbers for year one of McDermott)

So, attendance under Wayne Morgan actually was better than attendance under Larry Eustachy!!!!

 

[StLouisClone]

How about some facts for you:

Average attendance numbers:

Johnny Orr 14 years - 12,401
Tim Floyd 4 years - 11,903
Larry Eustachy 5 years - 11,380
Wayne Morgan 3 years - 11,472
Greg McDermott 1 year - 12,489 (I only have the numbers for year one of McDermott)

So, attendance under Wayne Morgan actually was better than attendance under Larry Eustachy!!!!

I think that shows that ISU fans are among the best (if not the best) in the nation!

 

[CrossCyed]

rabble rabble

 

[iowaboy]

Morgan didn't have the fire or desire and passion. He would just glare at the officials when they blew calls. The shame was Eustachy. That man could recruit and coach. Look at what he did in short time at ISU. Kansas still winces when his name is mentioned. IF OSU hires him, he'll put knots on the heads of Texas and Kansas.

While his behavior was a poor example it should of been forgiveible providing we (ISU) had some assurences it wouldn't happen again. It was a shame. The man while having his problems could of and should of been given a second chance as evidenced by the STANDING ovations he has received at our events recently. IB

 

[cy1225]

So how come it's "confusion" when it's a McD coached team and not "lack of effort". I'm sorry, Drake then, when we were completely outclassed and there was no effort on any level.

I just think McD gets a pass on a lot of things that Morgan continually gets raked over the coals about.

I agree...as does Pollard.

 

[akclone]

Morgan didn't have the fire or desire and passion. He would just glare at the officials when they blew calls. The shame was Eustachy. That man could recruit and coach. Look at what he did in short time at ISU. Kansas still winces when his name is mentioned. IF OSU hires him, he'll put knots on the heads of Texas and Kansas.

While his behavior was a poor example it should of been forgiveible providing we (ISU) had some assurences it wouldn't happen again. It was a shame. The man while having his problems could of and should of been given a second chance as evidenced by the STANDING ovations he has received at our events recently. IB

Right on!! I've thought this ever since he left.

 

[CloneFan65]

Let me help you out...McDermott is an "Iowa boy" as are most of the people that post on this board. Morgan is a city slicker from outside the midwest and about 98% of Iowans just can't relate to him.

What about the ones on here that supported Morgan? They can't relate to a hick like McDermott?

Look, I liked Morgan. I thought he was a good recruiter and he represented ISU well. But not everyone is cut out to be a head coach. With his recruiting skills and ability to bond to the athletes I'm surprised no one has hired him as an assistant yet. (Maybe he's had offers and turned them down. I don't know.) Anyway, my point is JP didn't fire McCarney and Morgan because fans didn't relate to them. Pollard felt that both Football and Basketball were headed in the wrong directions and that ISU needed a fresh start in both programs. I, for one, agreed with him. As to whether or not he made the right hires remains to be seen. If the programs aren't improving after another couple years, and fund-raising has fallen off, then I think we can start talking about a change in the AD position.

 

[StLouisClone]

Coaches get way too much credit when they win and way too much blame when they lose. I didn't want to see Eustachy go, but he had more average seasons at ISU than successful ones.

McDermott has succeeded everywhere he has been. He hasn't forgotten how to coach. He just needs players. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Butler and Vanderbeken commit to the good guys. I think these guys could be the difference-makers we are looking for (much like Willoughby and Cato were for Floyd).

 

[CloneFan65]

Morgan didn't have the fire or desire and passion. He would just glare at the officials when they blew calls. The shame was Eustachy. That man could recruit and coach. Look at what he did in short time at ISU. Kansas still winces when his name is mentioned. IF OSU hires him, he'll put knots on the heads of Texas and Kansas.

While his behavior was a poor example it should of been forgiveible providing we (ISU) had some assurences it wouldn't happen again. It was a shame. The man while having his problems could of and should of been given a second chance as evidenced by the STANDING ovations he has received at our events recently. IB

I would have liked to have seen Eustachy given a suspension until he completed a rehab program, then bring him back with the understanding that next time something like that happened he was gone. The biggest problem I had with the firing was that the AD knew about this issue before it became public, yet didn't do anything about it. It wasn't until it became public that it was behavior bad enough to get fired over.

Having said all that, we're on our second coach since then and it's time to move on as a fan base and program.

 

[jbhtexas]

Morgan didn't have the fire or desire and passion. He would just glare at the officials when they blew calls. The shame was Eustachy. That man could recruit and coach. Look at what he did in short time at ISU. Kansas still winces when his name is mentioned. IF OSU hires him, he'll put knots on the heads of Texas and Kansas.

While his behavior was a poor example it should of been forgiveible providing we (ISU) had some assurences it wouldn't happen again. It was a shame. The man while having his problems could of and should of been given a second chance as evidenced by the STANDING ovations he has received at our events recently. IB

What does getting a standing ovation have to do with somebody being retained as a coach? LE had one great season, one season that ended in great disappointment, 2 so-so seasons, and one bad season...2 NCAA appearances in 5 years. That's not exactly John Wooden-esque...

 

[cyclonenum1]

What about the ones on here that supported Morgan? They can't relate to a hick like McDermott?

Look, I liked Morgan. I thought he was a good recruiter and he represented ISU well. But not everyone is cut out to be a head coach. With his recruiting skills and ability to bond to the athletes I'm surprised no one has hired him as an assistant yet. (Maybe he's had offers and turned them down. I don't know.) Anyway, my point is JP didn't fire McCarney and Morgan because fans didn't relate to them. Pollard felt that both Football and Basketball were headed in the wrong directions and that ISU needed a fresh start in both programs. I, for one, agreed with him. As to whether or not he made the right hires remains to be seen. If the programs aren't improving after another couple years, and fund-raising has fallen off, then I think we can start talking about a change in the AD position.

I'm sure you are right about this...however, I was answering someone that asked the question (and I paraphrase here) "why does Morgan get hammered so badly on this site when his name is mentioned". The question was not why did JP fire Morgan.

You can give me all of the negative rep you want but having grown up in Iowa, and now having lived all over the country, I have come to realize that Iowa is just not a very diverse place. That is not to knock Iowa...I am proud to be an Iowan...it is just the reality. The state has a population that is 95% white (from census) and 3% black (again from census).

Several months ago when there was a thread about Jena, LA I stated that I would venture a guess that the typical person posting on this site that resides in Iowa probably never comes in contact with a black person other than at an athletic event (such as an ISU game).

Where I live, some would consider your statement concerning Morgan..."But not everyone is cut out to be a head coach"...a form of racism. I do not think you made that comment from a racist point of view but, believe me, some do make these type of comments where I live in the south as a form of what I would call "latent racism".

The bottom line is that many are willing to go the wall for McDermott because he is "one of them" whereas that same affinity did not exist for Morgan. This is how we get the "Morgan was lousy and McDermott is great" talk when their records (the primary measurable upon which a coach is judged) at ISU indicate something different.

 

[isucyfan]

Still not sure why we have to relate to a coach to like/dislike what he is doing on the court. There is no color to winning.

I still don't buy the race card being played here. Bobby Douglas seems to have had an OK run at ISU. Gene Smith, too.

I don't care if our coach is purple if he wins. The reason I'm giving McDermott more time is because he inherited a mess that will take a while to sort out, not because he is white.

 

[BKLYNCyclone]

The biggest problem I had with the firing was that the AD knew about this issue before it became public, yet didn't do anything about it. It wasn't until it became public that it was behavior bad enough to get fired over.

I was in Italy when I first saw the photos of LE. The Missouri student that took them emailed it to all the basketball players well in advance of the story breaking. (I'm thinking it was in January or February...) The poo didn't hit the fan until I was back in Ames in April. Whoever thought they could keep it quiet was sadly mistaken.

 

[cyismydog]

I was in Italy when I first saw the photos of LE. The Missouri student that took them emailed it to all the basketball players well in advance of the story breaking. (I'm thinking it was in January or February...) The poo didn't hit the fan until I was back in Ames in April. Whoever thought they could keep it quiet was sadly mistaken.

Did you play for LE, or you just knew the players?