Ive talked to Brackins before and I can assure you he was not lined up by morgan. Mcdermott recruited him, morgan had contacted him though, but he wasnt interested in him
Heavy Handed?
- Thread starter BKLYNCyclone
- Start date
- Status
Ive talked to Brackins before and I can assure you he was not lined up by morgan. Mcdermott recruited him, morgan had contacted him though, but he wasnt interested in him
The Bobby Douglas thing stunk... but if you didn't do that the greatest athlete in the history of ISU and the sport of wrestling would probably be coaching at another school... Maybe even EIU!
Some of the national talking heads have said that Maric actually held back NU's progress. Doc's style doesn't require a traditional 'big man'. I think they are going to be alot better next year and really scary the year after that.
When Pollard was hired, didn't Douglas go right up to him and say "What are you going to do to make sure Cael stays at ISU?" I think it was Bobby's idea to begin with. It was the dark side's(hawkeye) opinion that we were forcing Douglas out. The media wanted to lump Douglas in with McCarney as heads rolling because of JP.
JP came in a actually DID something. BVDV was fine with the status quo. Without making changes, the fanbase was losing interest and the teams were mediocre at best. JP came in and made changes in HOPES that things will improve. He hired the best coaches that ISU could get in each sport.
Now, with all that said, there are no guarantees here. Either JP ends up looking like a fool or the greatest AD in NCAA history. Only time will tell. But when you have given your football coach one season and basketball coach one full season and one short season, that isn't enough time to make judgement. The next year or two are key.
The fact remains that someone needed to do something. To continue on the course we were on only meant disaster in the long term.
Lets hope that JPs gamble pays off because if his plan doesn't work, I don't know what options ISU has to stay competitive in these sports. It is now or never.
Now, with all that said, there are no guarantees here. Either JP ends up looking like a fool or the greatest AD in NCAA history. Only time will tell. But when you have given your football coach one season and basketball coach one full season and one short season, that isn't enough time to make judgement. The next year or two are key.
The fact remains that someone needed to do something. To continue on the course we were on only meant disaster in the long term.
Lets hope that JPs gamble pays off because if his plan doesn't work, I don't know what options ISU has to stay competitive in these sports. It is now or never.
I would like to be winning more games, but after what I call Larry Eustachy residual, I would not call Wayne Morgan's product on the floor; Basketball. In my opinion, that was hard to watch, but I've always enjoyed disciplined basketball. I guess, what I found scary was when Stinson had the clipboard during timeouts at the end of the games. (found that out last year and got to thinking that he did throw up a lot of bad shots at the end of games)
Last edited:
I think this was one of Jamie's easier decisions. I am old enough to remember when Harold Nichols was approaching retirement age and they decided to not deal with Gable when he was looking for a coaching job. When Iowa State did nothing to keep Gable around, Roy Carver stepped up and he ended up at Iowa and we all know the rest of the story. This was a "no brainer", and Bobby got a job in the athletic department to tide him over.
Last edited by a moderator:
CycloneErik
Well-Known Member
If our coach is shooting threes, wouldn't that be a problem?:biggrin:
And who in the world is feeding him the ball?!?!?!?!?
Last edited:
lol...that would be a big problem
The only thing Mac will do is dunk once a year...usually on the road...it's kind of funny because he has to stretch and get it on his first try...or wait and try again another day.
Amazing the amount of history revison goes into these threads in order to establish YOUR faulty thinking. Look at Morgan's program at Long Beach and then his 3rd year at ISU, and you still have to ask, why was he dismissed? Remember what happened when we didn't lock up Gable? The Hawks sure do. McCarney should have been gone after 5-6-7-8 years, when it was obvious he couldn't get the job done. Jamie is doing just fine, thank you.
Don't forget at the time Ohio State's job was open and Gene Smith had money to spend and knew what Cael represented. Also Cael was a potential hire for the Iowa program and we certainly did not want to lose another good coach like we did Dan Gable.
Bobby didnt' talk at all about it because he was emotional, but I think would now say it was the right thing to do. Bobby still had a position with the athletic department, so it wasn't like we showed him the door.
Bobby didnt' talk at all about it because he was emotional, but I think would now say it was the right thing to do. Bobby still had a position with the athletic department, so it wasn't like we showed him the door.
Morgan's offense was fun at times but his teams lacked discipilne. I like the fact that McDermott has got his players giving 100% all of the time. As his team gets a little older and they aquire some more talent I think we will see a little more up paced offense.
Say what you want to about BVDV, but our greatest success came under him in basketball and our first bowl win and top 25 finish came under him in football. WBB advanced deeply in the dance. The programs didn't sustain the kind of success we wanted under him but we had the most success we've ever tasted with him as athletic director.
This is the most unfair jab at Morgan in my opinion - I agree it appeared his teams may not have been giving their best effort at times but I could argue about several games we watched this year that it looked like not a single guy on the floor gave a crap. First half Nebraska for a good example.
I thought the Morgan defenses were fun to watch too. They would sell out, go 100% and try to make the big play. This worked great when they had shotblockers back as a backup for a failed gamble. The one bad year Morgans teams had they were extremely young and not healthy in the front court. This made it easier for teams to score if a gamble failed. Not to mention Stinson was playing injured the whole year too. Funny how people can accept the injury/sickness excuse one year and not another.
Those fruits were the product of the previous work by AD Gene Smith. Gene hired all the coaches that did those things.
Last edited:
- Status