The Jerry Kill Comparison

Cyvet95

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Living in Minnesota, I've had the opportunity to watch Jerry Kill steadily build the Minnesota football program. I think the main difference between him and Paul is the presence of a steady basic plan. He doesn't try to do anything other than what he and his staff are good at offensively and defensively. They don't switch defenses from year to year, and they run the same basic offensive scheme they came in here with - the same one they have used in 4 programs of varying size before they came here. They recruit players that fit the system rather than trying to fit the system to the few good players you have.

Most of Kill's assistants have been with him for over 10 years and I would be willing to bet that even if one of his coordinators were to leave he would find another coordinator who would run the HEAD coach's system. He's not going to hire someone who will teach an entirely new offense to the players. The players have been recruited for that particular brand of football. I never really get the idea that Coach Rhoads has any solid beliefs in how offense should be played. As a result, the Cyclones wind up with new assistants teaching THEIR way, changing techniques and terminology annually. Players are recruited for an offense that is never run once they arrive on campus. Offensive linemen are asked to play differently every year, with new terms, and new expectations. To build a program at a lower level football school like Minnesota or Iowa State you have to be enough of a leader to have a plan, and then to stick to it. Your assistants need to do what YOU, as the Head Coach want them to do, not what THEY want to do. You need to recruit the players that fit that system. And you are NOT going to get 4 or 5 star players unless they grow up in your back yard, so you have to be great developers of talent. You have to be great at finding players who have not peaked in high school. You have to know yourself and your system well enough to know which players you can turn into solid players who will thrive in your environment. Then, you have to develop them over 4 or 5 years.

That is what I see happening at the University of Minnesota. I really like Paul Rhoads, but by comparison his leadership looks responsive, not planned. He swings from one thing to another trying to find something that works. It's a stark difference.
 
Living in Minnesota, I've had the opportunity to watch Jerry Kill steadily build the Minnesota football program.....

Most of Kill's assistants have been with him for over 10 years....

And they are good assistants. That's why he wins.
 
Another difference is the fact that they play an easier schedule. This weekend Minnesota will play their first top 10 opponent since 2009. For God's sake, Jerry Kill has never played a top 10 opponent at Minnesota. How many ranked teams has Jerry Kill beat at Minnesota? How many ranked teams has he played?

He is doing a great job and your point is well taken, but I suspect that Rhoads could and would have a similar record to Kill if he was at Minnesota.

Hell....in this the season to end all seasons at Minnesota, they have lost at Illinois. Very similar to losing at Kansas.
 
I think all of the "Jerry Kill has resurrected Minnesota" talk is a bit premature. Have you seen their cupcake schedule??? If they win out agains Ohio State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin, I will gladly eat my hat, but there's a strong chance they finish 7-5 (4-4) again, which is nothing to boast about in the Big Ten West. Let's not forget that they lost to an absolutely terrible Illinois team...
 
I think all of the "Jerry Kill has resurrected Minnesota" talk is a bit premature. Have you seen their cupcake schedule??? If they win out agains Ohio State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin, I will gladly eat my hat, but there's a strong chance they finish 7-5 (4-4) again, which is nothing to boast about in the Big Ten West. Let's not forget that they lost to an absolutely terrible Illinois team...

Right....and before someone jumps in here and starts talking about how that is still better than Iowa State this year....WE KNOW THAT. Jerry is having a much better season than Paul. He is trending up. He is kicking *** with a terrible schedule.
 
I think all of the "Jerry Kill has resurrected Minnesota" talk is a bit premature. Have you seen their cupcake schedule??? If they win out agains Ohio State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin, I will gladly eat my hat, but there's a strong chance they finish 7-5 (4-4) again, which is nothing to boast about in the Big Ten West. Let's not forget that they lost to an absolutely terrible Illinois team...

This. I think Minnesota is obviously better than Iowa, but they'd be fighting for 6 wins with a Big 12 schedule. We've been there plenty of years. Not some crazy achievement.
 
Didn't someone post that Minnesota was facing their first top 10 team since 2009 this week? Yeah, that might be a part of the "resurrection" that's been going on there.
 
Wow. Surprised at the disagreements. I 100% agree about Kill and the MN program. Fan of Minn and ISU, both were dumpster fires when each HC took over. Yes, the B1G is worse than the B12, but you can only beat those on your schedule.

Like the consistency Kill provides. It his way or the highway, as exampled by wide reciever AJ Barker. I like the momentum of Kill, like the hard-nosed approach, love his attitude. He has a plan and works to execute.

I've have always thought a Jerry Kill type coach is the way to rebuild ISU, and I wish we would have gotten Kill instead of Minn
 
And ironically enough as I watch the Grantland Basketball Hour, I am blasted with #25 Minnesota versus Ohio State ads.....Cant remember last time I saw ISU on one of those

Also, Maxx Williams is exactly what EJ Bibbs should have been.
 
Living in Minnesota, I've had the opportunity to watch Jerry Kill steadily build the Minnesota football program. I think the main difference between him and Paul is the presence of a steady basic plan. He doesn't try to do anything other than what he and his staff are good at offensively and defensively. They don't switch defenses from year to year, and they run the same basic offensive scheme they came in here with - the same one they have used in 4 programs of varying size before they came here. They recruit players that fit the system rather than trying to fit the system to the few good players you have.

Most of Kill's assistants have been with him for over 10 years and I would be willing to bet that even if one of his coordinators were to leave he would find another coordinator who would run the HEAD coach's system. He's not going to hire someone who will teach an entirely new offense to the players. The players have been recruited for that particular brand of football. I never really get the idea that Coach Rhoads has any solid beliefs in how offense should be played. As a result, the Cyclones wind up with new assistants teaching THEIR way, changing techniques and terminology annually. Players are recruited for an offense that is never run once they arrive on campus. Offensive linemen are asked to play differently every year, with new terms, and new expectations. To build a program at a lower level football school like Minnesota or Iowa State you have to be enough of a leader to have a plan, and then to stick to it. Your assistants need to do what YOU, as the Head Coach want them to do, not what THEY want to do. You need to recruit the players that fit that system. And you are NOT going to get 4 or 5 star players unless they grow up in your back yard, so you have to be great developers of talent. You have to be great at finding players who have not peaked in high school. You have to know yourself and your system well enough to know which players you can turn into solid players who will thrive in your environment. Then, you have to develop them over 4 or 5 years.

That is what I see happening at the University of Minnesota. I really like Paul Rhoads, but by comparison his leadership looks responsive, not planned. He swings from one thing to another trying to find something that works. It's a stark difference.


Minnesota sucks. Their schedule is garbage. Not that tough to win 6 games in the Big 10 West. Year in and year out. Nothing against Kill, but it's apples and oranges.
 
Minnesota sucks. Their schedule is garbage. Not that tough to win 6 games in the Big 10 West. Year in and year out. Nothing against Kill, but it's apples and oranges.

I don't get it. Are NSDU and Kansas not garbage? Why cant we beat them?

Minn absolutely white-washed Iowa
 
Jerry Kill is a great Coach. Compared to Minnesota prior to his arrival there is no comparison.

Hopefully, Paul has learned a bit and we will turn a corner with the Mangino hire.

That he retained Wally is evidence that he (Paul) has not learned enough.
 
I think all of the "Jerry Kill has resurrected Minnesota" talk is a bit premature. Have you seen their cupcake schedule??? If they win out agains Ohio State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin, I will gladly eat my hat, but there's a strong chance they finish 7-5 (4-4) again, which is nothing to boast about in the Big Ten West. Let's not forget that they lost to an absolutely terrible Illinois team...
I don't understand this. So let me get this straight. Kill took over a program that struggled to win 1 game a year. They had an easy schedule when he started and have one now. So this still shows he isn't building anything even though he has taken them from a 1 win team to what looks like a consistent 8 win team?
 
And they are good assistants. That's why he wins.
He wins because Minnesota plays in the Big Ten. Even we would win at least 7 or 8 games with their schedule. They are improved, but their record is a bit inflated. I can't wait until the Big 12 ads a few more teams.

DateOpponent / EventLocationTime / Result
08/28/14vs. Eastern Illinois
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TCF Bank StadiumW, 42-20
09/06/14vs. Middle Tennessee State
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TCF Bank StadiumW, 35-24
09/13/14at TCU
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Fort Worth, TexasL, 30-7
09/20/14vs. San Jose State
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TCF Bank StadiumW, 24-7
09/27/14at Michigan *
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Ann Arbor, Mich.W, 30-14
10/11/14vs. Northwestern *
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TCF Bank StadiumW, 24-17
10/18/14vs. Purdue *
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TCF Bank StadiumW, 39-38
10/25/14at Illinois *
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Champaign, Ill.L, 28-24
11/08/14vs. Iowa *
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TCF Bank StadiumW, 51-14
11/15/14vs. Ohio State *
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TCF Bank Stadium11:00 a.m. CT
11/22/14at Nebraska *Lincoln, Neb.TBA
11/29/14at Wisconsin *
 
I don't understand this. So let me get this straight. Kill took over a program that struggled to win 1 game a year. They had an easy schedule when he started and have one now. So this still shows he isn't building anything even though he has taken them from a 1 win team to what looks like a consistent 8 win team?

Adjusting for SOS, how is this any different than Rhoads' first four years? I'm not saying they haven't improved (the program was awful; it's be impossible to not improve), but that it's way too soon to start claiming that Jerry Kill's got everything all figured out.
 
Reasons Jerry Kill wins: More coaching experience, plays in the Big 10, only major football school in the state, had a clear plan, has good assistants who have stayed
 

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