Rules question

[snowcraig2.0]

It is over and back, because it was touched. That is the way I would call it. I am a official.

Lets get him!!!!!

 

[cloneu]

From the NCAA website.

Section 15. Control—Player, Team
Art. 1. A player shall be in control when:
a. Holding a live ball; or
b. Dribbling a live ball while inbounds.
Art. 2. A team shall be in control when:
a. A player of the team is in control;
b. While a live ball is being passed between teammates; or
c. When a player of that team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.
Art. 3. Team control shall continue until the ball is in flight during a try for
goal, an opponent secures control or the ball becomes dead.
Art. 4. There shall be no team control during:
a. A jump ball;
b. The tapping of a rebound (unless it is a try for goal);
c. A try for goal after the ball is in flight;
d. The period that follows any of these acts (a-c) while the ball is being
batted (from the vicinity of other players) in an attempt to secure
control; or
e. A dead ball.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

From the NCAA website.

That pretty well seals it, it would not be over and back.

 

[mkcrawford]

That pretty well seals it, it would not be over and back.

Wait, if ISU had possesion of the ball, then by the NCAA rule it would be over and back. But if nearly any other team had the ball, the NCAA would rule loose ball

...Sorry, couldn't resist

 

[clone52]

If you were had team possesion and were the last team to touch the ball in the front court and the first team to touch it in the back court, it is over and back.

If you are dribbling and the defender deflects it off your leg into the back court and you touch it, it is over and back.

If a shot goes up, there is no team possession and it would not be over and back. If an offensive rebounder tips it into back court, it is NOT over and back. If an offensive rebounder grabs the ball (establishing team control) and passes it into back court, it is over and back.

 

[danrog]

This exact situation was actually brought up in my referring meeting for ISU IM Bball. Randy Heimerman, a Big12,big10 etc referee, stated that it would not be over and back. The wording does seem to confuse a lot however and I was unsure at the time of the question as well.

 

[wolverine68]

Section 11. Ball in Back Court
Art. 1. A player shall not be the first to touch the ball in his or her back court
when the ball came from the front court while the player’s team was in
team control and the player or a teammate caused the ball to go into the
back court.

Just thought I'd add it...

 

[ajk4st8]

Dont ask the refs from the Texas game.

 

[limp dogg]

If you are dribbling and the defender deflects it off your leg into the back court and you touch it, it is over and back.

:no:
Once the ball is deflected by the defender, you would have to re-establish possession prior to it being over and back. The ball hitting your leg is not possession.

 

[Jerry1982]

It is over and back, because it was touched. That is the way I would call it. I am a official.

So then it's definitly NOT over and back. :biglaugh:

 

[isucyfan]

A friend of mine refs college ball here in the Twin Cities...I'll email him and see what he says.

Here's what my referee friend said:

No, this is not an over and back violation.

One of the requirements needed to have this violation
is "team control". By definition, team control ends
with the try for goal, and no team control exists
during a rebound, even if touched, until a player
secures control.

Therefore, in your example, team control is not
re-established until the ball is secured in the
backcourt. Team A would then have 10 seconds to get
the ball into the frontcourt, at which point the
restrictions for over and back would be back in force.

Just a reinforcement to the conclusion you all came up with!

 

[wonkadog]

:no:
Once the ball is deflected by the defender, you would have to re-establish possession prior to it being over and back. The ball hitting your leg is not possession.

No, the defender deflecting the ball away does not constitute team control for his team so this would be over and back. Your team (if you're on offense) had the ball in the frontcourt and never lost team control while losing the ball (and being the last to touch it before it headed to the backcourt) and regaining it in the backcourt. Violation.