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NSCR: New Chase Format

Brian France wanted to make NASCAR a "cleaner" sport. He did that and lost a lot of his base. Now he his rating are flat to falling off. It use to be about the racing now it is about NASCAR making as much money as possible and keeping a clean image.
 
buf87 said:
Is Tony going to race Daytona 500?
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Yes. He won't be fully healthy but he plans to race it assuming he gets doctor clearance.

On the Chase format changes, my biggest question is why? The Chase has been pretty exciting the last few years, why do we need these changes?

I'm actually ok with the elimination rounds but the winner take all 1-race format is just beyond dumb and goes against what NASCAR used to be about. Consistency.

Carl Edwards put it best: You can win 35 of the 36 races and not win the championship. Dumb.
 
Cyclones_R_GR8 said:
Races have become all about fuel mileage and pit strategy. I'll put a race on but usually spend a lot of time switching channels. Cautions are about the only way anyone can pick up track position anymore.
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Pit strategy, yes. Fuel mileage, not really. Of the 36, I'd say 2-3 races each year come down to fuel mileage.
 
NASCAR would be better if they got rid of going to all the cookie cutter tracks twice a year like Texas, Kansas, and Chicago. Those races are boring as hell.
 
ISUAlum05 said:
I think it blows that one bad day means no championship for you.
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to some extent, that's what happens now. Dale Jr. blew his engine the first Chase race last year and could only climb back to 4th. We see that happen fairly often now because of Jimmie Johnson. He's just so consistent in the Chase that nobody can afford to have a mulligan. Contrary to an earlier post, under this new system, Dale Jr. would have actually won the 2013 championship. Now I'm a huge Jr. fan, but under no circumstances should he have won last year. Top 3, yes. But in those last few races (combined with their whole season performance), Kenseth and Johnson were the class of the field. Any system that didn't have one of those two winning is bogus. Think about that, Jr. would have won the championship without winning a race - which seems to be France's whole point about needing to make a change!

cycloneworld said:
Yes. He won't be fully healthy but he plans to race it assuming he gets doctor clearance.

On the Chase format changes, my biggest question is why? The Chase has been pretty exciting the last few years, why do we need these changes?

I'm actually ok with the elimination rounds but the winner take all 1-race format is just beyond dumb and goes against what NASCAR used to be about. Consistency.

Carl Edwards put it best: You can win 35 of the 36 races and not win the championship. Dumb.
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The only change they've needed to make is what fans have been saying for years. Make wins worth more. Make it a 10, 15, 20 point bonus for a win. Leave everything else alone. The current 3 point bonus just isn't worth going for the win. That's three spots on the track. So if you're sitting 4th, you're not going to risk crashing your car for the win. Hello single-file racing. For 20 points? You can bet they will. One simple change. But then, that would be too easy. If they at least didn't reset the points after each "round", I could handle that. But resetting the points is ridiculous. I agree with Carl, you could win every race, finish 2nd at Homestead and lose the Championship. They thought the Richmond debacle looked bad for the sport? How will it look when Jimmie starts pulling over to let Jeff/Kasey/Dale go by to get a win in August so they make the Chase?
 
Ok I looked at the standing and saw 16 drivers won in the top 30, but didn't find the standing after 26 races, so I didn't realize that many drivers won their only race during Chase.
 
While Dale Jr. would have won the championship under this format last year, its pretty misleading. Jimmie Johnson knew he had to finish 20-something or better so he basically didn't even try to run upfront. Had Jimmie, and the other drivers known this was a winner-take-all race, the race would have unfoldly completely differently.

I'm also not a huge fan that if you win a race, you are automatically in the Chase. So Travis Kvapil could win a rain shortened or fuel mileage race and finish 40th in the other 25 pre-Chase races and still make the Chase? No thanks.
 
cycloneworld said:
While Dale Jr. would have won the championship under this format last year, its pretty misleading. Jimmie Johnson knew he had to finish 20-something or better so he basically didn't even try to run upfront. Had Jimmie, and the other drivers known this was a winner-take-all race, the race would have unfoldly completely differently.

I'm also not a huge fan that if you win a race, you are automatically in the Chase. So Travis Kvapil could win a rain shortened or fuel mileage race and finish 40th in the other 25 pre-Chase races and still make the Chase? No thanks.
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right, obviously they would have raced differently under the circumstances, but the fact that it would have been very, very possible that the two guys with the most wins (Johnson & Kenseth) are beaten by someone with no wins just makes a complete mockery of the system.

and I agree about 1 win=in. Those guys that win rain-shortened races get in over someone consistently running top 5 and on the edge of a win? Come on, that's just a loophole to try and get Danica into the Chase.

Honest to God, I feel like the next they'll announce is the "vote your favorite driver through to the next round!!" American Idol edition. :rolleyes:
 
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Just wondering everyones thoughts on the Chase format so far. I think overall it has made the racing better, not sure how I feel about the points being completely reset after the first three races of the chase, seems to me the guys that win should get some bonus.

I know some of you hated this, and some of you liked it. Just want to see if anyone has changed their mind. Also thought we could use a distraction from "reviewgate" for a while.
 
Racing is awesome, but Im curious to see who would win if we based it off of just points.

This format should make for a great final race which was missing from previous seasons.
 
Well with some of the issues a few key drivers had Sunday, the next 2 races should be chaotic. That alone makes it rather interesting.

In the previous format, if a driver wrecked out and finished 35+, they didn't have much of a shot at the title unless they had finished extremely well in every single other race.

Now, that driver can win and automatically advance.
 
boone7247 said:
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Just wondering everyones thoughts on the Chase format so far. I think overall it has made the racing better, not sure how I feel about the points being completely reset after the first three races of the chase, seems to me the guys that win should get some bonus.

I know some of you hated this, and some of you liked it. Just want to see if anyone has changed their mind. Also thought we could use a distraction from "reviewgate" for a while.
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still dislike it (regardless of how much Kansas sucked for Jr. fans). If they end up with a finale containing Hamlin, Newman, Edwards, Kahne - they will change the whole system up yet again - and that's not how it should be determined. The points reset is stupid - especially the Homestead one. Sure Brad and Joey got somewhat of a bonus for winning a race, but what did Jeff get? He just had to finish top 25 to make it through. They should have at least made wins 5-10 points or something that carries over. I think it's time that they just drop this and go back to a non-Chase format. Make wins worth a hell of a lot more than 3-5 points. Not that I don't think guys don't fight hard for wins now - but you'll see more gambles on pit road and such to try and steal a win. It's like they just always want it to be a neck and neck points battle but that's just not how it should always go. Some years you're just going to have a team who kicks everyone else's *** (see: Jimmie Johnson most of mid/late 2000s). TV viewership continues to go down so clearly the gimmicks are not working.
 
ISUFan22 said:
Well with some of the issues a few key drivers had Sunday, the next 2 races should be chaotic. That alone makes it rather interesting.

In the previous format, if a driver wrecked out and finished 35+, they didn't have much of a shot at the title unless they had finished extremely well in every single other race.

Now, that driver can win and automatically advance.
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With Talladega being the last race of this pod. This weekends race is super important. Anyone can win on the super speedways. I know I am more intrigued by the end of this season, than I have been in past years. Usually once football starts I stop watching.
 
boone7247 said:
With Talladega being the last race of this pod. This weekends race is super important. Anyone can win on the super speedways. I know I am more intrigued by the end of this season, than I have been in past years. Usually once football starts I stop watching.
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It's been pretty easy to keep following NASCAR this year....
 
Have to admit, after last week and having the four Hendrick cars all near the bottom, this has gotten very interesting. NASCAR is going to **** itself if Johnson and Dale Jr fail to advance.
 
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