Video Replays

[BKLYNCyclone]

Controversial Call Helps Texas Win - ESPN Video - ESPN

This clip has the angles that matter. See 1:08 (a lot happens in that second, so you'll have to look a few times probably). If you look closely, you can see the ball in George's hands a split second prior to Gray hitting the ground. I won't pretend it isn't close, but in my view, this shows the strip actually happened.

If you look at the other angles, you can clearly see Gray isn't down until he "thumps" onto the ground. The fact that you can see the white stripe on the football in George's hands showed me what I needed to see. I wish I had a better version to see this more clearly. What I'm not positive about is whether the reversal can use multiple angles of video evidence to make a single determination. What I mean is that you can tell that Gray hits the ground after George has the ball in the rear angle, but you can't see if his hip or elbow are already down from that angle. I'm fairly certain that this is the Big 12's excuse... Without referring to two separate clips, you can't make the determination that Gray wasn't down until he "thumped" down.

Best I could find, in one place. Anyone find anything better?

 

[BKLYNCyclone]

Here is the image. You can see the ball in George's hands at the exact same time Gray goes down. You have to watch the video to see Gray go down, but the ball appears in George's possession when he "thumps" down.

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[Rods79]

Here are a few quick screengrabs that I took at the moment the runner was down. Obviously I'm not using the High Def feeds and frame-by-frame software...but in this case, it is so obvious that you don't need that equipment.

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[Cyclonepride]

I think Palmer said that it looked like the ball carrier intentionally dropped to his knees after he felt himself lose the ball. Everything I have seen verifies that.

 

[BKLYNCyclone]

Here are a few quick screengrabs that I took at the moment the runner was down. Obviously I'm not using the High Def feeds and frame-by-frame software...but in this case, it is so obvious that you don't need that equipment.

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I just used your technique. You can even see the ball on the standard side view if you stop the video exactly when the runner goes down... Got jobbed. This would be even more painfully clear if it was Luke Knott instead of Jeremiah George. Sad, but a little contrast would have gone a long way in holding the officials and the conference accountable.

 

[Rods79]

I just used your technique. You can even see the ball on the standard side view if you stop the video exactly when the runner goes down... Got jobbed. This would be even more painfully clear if it was Luke Knott instead of Jeremiah George. Sad, but a little contrast would have gone a long way in holding the officials and the conference accountable.

Yeah, it is pretty clear. When you look at all the angles at the same moment in time you can tell when the runner was down and where the ball was (spoiler alert...in JG's hands). The officials should be able to have all 4 of these camera angles synchronized, right?

There is no question with this one. I agree with Rhoads...the officials need to tell us what led them to not rule this as "indisputable evidence"...because it is crystal clear when you look at all the angles at the same moment in time. No more hiding behind this "indisputable" BS.

 

[Dino]

[video=youtube;1IjYPtTsd0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IjYPtTsd0Y[/video]

 

[Jammin’]

[video=youtube;1IjYPtTsd0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IjYPtTsd0Y[/video]

RB was absolutely not down. JG stripped it as the RB was still trying to push off with his right foot. The moment the RB starts to fall is when he has no control of the ball.

FUMBLE!!

 

[Rods79]

[video=youtube;1IjYPtTsd0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IjYPtTsd0Y[/video]

Amazing video starting at the 22 second mark. JG has the ball solidly at the 30 second mark, and in on his way to corralling it to his other arm at the 32-33 mark. The runner falls like a rag doll once he loses the battle and his grip on the ball.

 

[Stormin]

The call made is even more disturbing when you compare it to this play in the 2012 Orange Bowl by Darwin Cook of WV who got a TD on this play against Clemson. Bottom line is the player was NOT down. The whistle had NOT blown. If the player was down by contact then Jeremiah George would not have been running downfield with the ball when the whistle was blown. The whole thing is like the official sees the play and says Oh Crap. Texas is going to lose. Even after we have called penalties on this drive that should have not been called, like the Mike Davis pass interference call earlier where it is obvious that Davis is the one who made the contact and grabbed on a ball that was not even catchable.

Watch the clip of 2012 Orange Bowl play. Note the similarities.

Darwin Cook - 99 yard fumble return in Orange Bowl (2012) HD - YouTube

 

[clonedude]

I don't know if there's even a question of whether he was down or not because he clearly wasn't.

I think what the officials are saying is that they blew the play dead, and so it doesn't matter if he was down or not. And I'm not sure if something like that is really reviewable? I know you can hear the whistles on the live video, but do you hear all the whistles for sure?

Don't get me wrong, they completely blew the call. It should have been an ISU TD for George. Everyone knows it. If the Texas RB had reached that ball across the goal line, they would have given him a TD instead of saying that his forward progress had been stopped. You know they would have. And that's what is disturbing about this IMO.

But, I knew immediately when it happened that once the officials first ruled him down because they said they blew the play dead that we were screwed. I don't know that I've ever seen a play that was ruled blown dead on the field ever get over turned on any level of football. In fact, in the NFL those plays used to not even be reviewable, I don't know if that's still the case? If the ref said he blew it dead, there was no review.

 

[Clonefan94]

I don't know if there's even a question of whether he was down or not because he clearly wasn't.

I think what the officials are saying is that they blew the play dead, and so it doesn't matter if he was down or not. And I'm not sure if something like that is really reviewable? I know you can hear the whistles on the live video, but do you hear all the whistles for sure?

Don't get me wrong, they completely blew the call. It should have been an ISU TD for George. Everyone knows it. If the Texas RB had reached that ball across the goal line, they would have given him a TD instead of saying that his forward progress had been stopped. You know they would have. And that's what is disturbing about this IMO.

But, I knew immediately when it happened that once the officials first ruled him down because they said they blew the play dead that we were screwed. I don't know that I've ever seen a play that was ruled blown dead on the field ever get over turned on any level of football. In fact, in the NFL those plays used to not even be reviewable, I don't know if that's still the case? If the ref said he blew it dead, there was no review.

Actually no, they were saying down by contact. Meaning he was down by hitting the ground. If it had been a whistle, that blew the play dead, they would have said that.

 

[Stormin]

Actually it looks more like where the official goes "Oh Crap, ISU has the ball. What can I do? I'll blow the whistle." And then he says, "Runner was down by contact." Well if the runner was down then WHY didn't he blow the whistle right away. You can bet that if he would have surged and put the ball across the goal line it would have been a TD. No doubt. And the pass interference call way earlier it is clear that it was Mike Davis who grabbed SE Richardson on that 3rd down play. And the ball was not even catchable. Remember the Tulsa game? If the ball is uncatchable it is not pass interference.

The play was not dead. The player was not down. JG made a great play and it should have gone the other way for a classic TD for the ages. And we were robbed. And Mike Davis should have been tossed from the game way earlier for his cheap shot on Broomfield. Suspension is in order. That is pure BS. The guy should not see the field for a while. Mack Brown could do this himself but he won't since he has already defended Davis' cheap shot.