Recruit Lists v2.0
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I'd still be really surprised if we only had 3 recruits for the 2014 class. With the amount of high end talent that Fred's on right now, if 3 more guys want to commit, Fred's going to take them.
You mean the Roy Smith smooze and Calipara hustle eventually wears thin?
Fred is now in the list of elite college recruiters IMO through hard work, honesty, connections, relationships, and experience. To coin off an old phrase, he has it all for a recruit.
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I can agree with this. What can another coach use against Fred when recruiting the same player? Experience is really the only thing I can think of and it's not even a good argument because Fred's proven to be a good X's and O's coach... The long term contract is what really elevated him to the next level IMO...
I'm not quite willing to call the Iowa State staff elite recruiters yet (though I am hopeful that is the case). At least not until the results of recruiting for the 2014 and 2015 classes are in. If successful on the high targets for the next class(es) then I think terms like elite can be thrown around. As of now I would call the recruiting something more like very good.
Unfortunately I would expect something like "So do you want the prestige and exposure of playing at Kentucky/North Carolina/Kansas or a backwater like Iowa State?" stated either explicitly or implicitly. And I would expect as much for a while. Just matters whether a recruit goes for something like that or has the confidence to make weigh the programs on current merit alone.
Not trying to be Debbie downer but if I was in that position I would probably try to get that point across.
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Abdul Malik-Abu could go through an entire game w-o having a single play run for him. And he'd still wind up with a double-double.
Abdul Malik-Abu could go through an entire game w-o having a single play run for him. And he'd still wind up with a double-double.
Also, "I've been to multiple final fours. I've won national championships. I've recruited and coached multiple NBA lottery picks"
some of those are obviously a function of time. I don't necessarily expect Fred should have any of those achievements yet - but for Pitino, Roy, Calipari, Izzo, Donovan - they can all say that.
The small buyout for an NBA head coaching job is likely used against him and that Rick Adelman is a probable short-timer as the Timberwolves head coach. Fred may end up staying at ISU for the next 10 years or more but he should have increased that buyout to $1M instead of only $500K. NBA teams could afford that buyout if they wanted him bad enough.
A counter point to these arguments... would you rather go to 1 of these schools, and just be "another player" who is good or would you rather go to Iowa State and be treated like a king.
The article at a major blueblood program headlines would read: "Kentucky lands another top recruit" or "UNC lands some more top 10 talent". Doubt his name even makes the article headline, and while he's there for 1 year, he wouldn't get much recognition around the school, he could be outshined by one of his teammates. Or even if he's a big name for the year, they'd forget him the next year.
If he came to Iowa State the ames headlines, and potentially the espn headlines would read: "Iowa State lands Vaughn", and while on campus for the year, he'd make lots of headlines. It'd be like Royce White, where everyone talked about him and his abilities, or Niang last year.
It's been almost 2 full years since White was on campus, but people still mention him regularly. He'd be immortal at Iowa State, or close to it. At Kentucky or North Carolina he'd be just another face in the crowd.
Agreed. See: Harrison Barnes. If he comes to ISU he is a hometown legend forever. Instead he goes to UNC and he's just another high profile recruit especially since he didn't win a national title for them.
Ehhh, I'm going to go out on the limb here. I would think Vaughn wants to win...ergo not play for the wolves...
