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Here is a good article:
Jim Souhan: Keeping this star wasn't an option

Maybe I only think it is good because it falls in line with my thinking. I am a big Twins fan and have been following all this for months now. Only time will tell but I think the best option might have been taken given the situation. The moral of the story is that is was a bad situation from the beginning. Next step in my opinion is to trade Nathan and maybe one of the young pitching prospects for more young help.
 
I just hope the OF they picked up pans out. I know that Torii was more of an offensive than defensive weapon but the outfield will miss him
 
Yeah Hunter is one of the better defensive center fielders in the league in my opinion but age is starting to take its toll I think. I think the signing of Delmon Young fills the hole in the order left by Hunter. What they really need is run scorers in the top of the order because they have guys to drive them in in M & M, Cuddy, Young, Kubel, ect.
 
HGPuck said:
Yeah Hunter is one of the better defensive center fielders in the league in my opinion but age is starting to take its toll I think. I think the signing of Delmon Young fills the hole in the order left by Hunter. What they really need is run scorers in the top of the order because they have guys to drive them in in M & M, Cuddy, Young, Kubel, ect.
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Hunters an interesting case when his defense was outstanding from about 1999-2005 his offensive production left something to be desired, as he's taken a step back(still an excellent defensive centerfielder just not the top his offensive production had really been kicked up a notch
 
Everything I have read about this trade makes me shake my head. They get good prospects from the Mets, but they didn't get Pelfrey or Fernando Martinez. Now of course the deals in the paper are largely speculation, but this seems to be the weakest of all the deals.


Now my irritation comes from being a Braves fan.
 
Yeah Hunter is one of the better defensive center fielders in the league in my opinion but age is starting to take its toll I think. I think the signing of Delmon Young fills the hole in the order left by Hunter. What they really need is run scorers in the top of the order because they have guys to drive them in in M & M, Cuddy, Young, Kubel, ect.
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I don't think Hunter will be missed as much as everyone thinks. Scouts say Gomez is a pretty good CF. He has speed and a strong arm. If he can just hit about .275 and use his speed on the bases this could be the best offense the Twins have had in a very long time. I think Young will come close to Hunters offensive output of last year. If Mauer can stay healthy he should be a .330 15-20HR and 90+RBI kind of guy. Then if Cuddyer and Morneau just do their thing along with Kubel playing how he ended the year the Twins could have a top 5 offense. Then again this all looks good on paper.
 
The Twins screwed themselves. Terry Ryan will be sorely missed. His only blunder was David Ortiz. Granted, I'm not sure any deal would have satisfied every Twins fan, but he took the worst one available.
 
I too am a bit sceptical about the deal. I do like the fact that Santana won't be pitching for the yanks or the sox, but I do think at least in speculation we could have got prospects that would help us right now. With just signing cuddy and morneau to big deals it appeared the twins were going to take a shot at winning now, but this deal almost makes it look like a project. However I think a year or two down the road some of the mets prospects could be big for us.
 
kurimski said:
I don't think Hunter will be missed as much as everyone thinks. Scouts say Gomez is a pretty good CF. He has speed and a strong arm. If he can just hit about .275 and use his speed on the bases this could be the best offense the Twins have had in a very long time. I think Young will come close to Hunters offensive output of last year. If Mauer can stay healthy he should be a .330 15-20HR and 90+RBI kind of guy. Then if Cuddyer and Morneau just do their thing along with Kubel playing how he ended the year the Twins could have a top 5 offense. Then again this all looks good on paper.
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I'm a Mets fan, and I really like Gomez. He has blazing speed, and could really be a threat on the basepaths. His bat is a little suspect, but he's young and with good coaching could get a bunch of infield singles, which could pretty much be doubles if he steals as much as I think he can. He can also cover a lot of ground in CF. I don't think he will ever hit for power, though.
 
Baseball is so messed up these days. Do I cheer for a team or players that leave every year? I'm not going to judge the Twins and will wait and see if anything pans out.
 
leg4cy said:
The Twins screwed themselves. Terry Ryan will be sorely missed. His only blunder was David Ortiz. Granted, I'm not sure any deal would have satisfied every Twins fan, but he took the worst one available.
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And his terrible free agent signings on pretty much a yearly basis, even after the Twins had improved washed up scrub pitchers and hitters were still being given shots above young talent. Bill Smith has already proven to be more adept here by signing the likes of Mike Lamb. The Twins got stuck in a hard place here with them not getting any "wow" offers and then holding out and then Santana forced their hand by saying now or never. A lot of the other offers were back in December(we can't be certain they were still on the table) and had the Twins taken a trade without trying to get the most bang for their buck I'm sure people would be saying they got fleeced in that regard as well.
 
I think Twins fans should have been upset. Ellsbury, Hughes, or Lester were all major league ready talent they could have got plus a decent prospect or 2 with them.
 
I just don't understand the rationale behind this move at this time. Smith should have balked immediately at what the Mets were offering. His only option should be to hold onto Santana until Spring Training or beyond. Someone in the Yankees or Red Sox rotation is going to get hurt. The opportunity would have come along. I just don't feel like this situation was one where a deal had to be swung now. But, I'll be the first one to say that if the average (according to most experts) prospects pan out, then I will eat crow.
 
I will reiterate the deal was forced by Santana he said trade me now or later I won't waive my no trade clause.
 
Does anyone actually think the Red Sox or the Yankees were actually really serious about acquiring Santana by trade? I don't think so. To me it appeared the Yankees had the attitude of "you'll trade Santana to us on our terms or you can go pound rocks." The Red Sox appeared to be in this thing just to keep him from going to the Yankees and as soon as the deadline to deal with the Yankees passed the Red Sox lost interest as well. Neither the Red Sox nor the Yankees were all that interested in dealing a package that the Twins really approved from and gambled that the Twins' asking price for Santana was so high that he would be untradable and then they would be able to battle for him via free agency in the offseason (in which case neither club loses ANYTHING of relevance if they sign him as a free agent). In retrospect, the Mets deal might be worse than the offer from the Yankees or the two available offers from the Red Sox, but the thing is they got something for him, and prevented both the Yankees and Red Sox from practically being undisputed champions for the next 5 years or so (and I think a lot of trading Santana to the Mets was to make sure that neither the Red Sox nor the Yankees got their hands on him, especially they way those two organizations treated the Twins in mid-December).
 
I have no doubt part of the reason the Mets were chosen was because its in the NL one can't forget how the Yankee's have routinely trashed the Twins in the playoffs and thus that might have been part of the reason that Bill Smith wouldnt want to have to face Johan 2 times in a short series.

As for Red Sox and Yankees being serious contenders they both would have liked to have him but I agree it seemed like the biggest thing in the trade was trying to not let the other one get him. The Sox really didn't need him but the Yankees could have used
 
I guess I look at this from a different perspective than a lot of Twins fans, because being originally from New York and growing up in a big Mets family I'm also a Mets fan. In essence, I'm not losing Santana as much as he's moving from my favorite AL team to my favorite NL team. I think I tend to agree the points made on CBS SportsLine - before the Tigers decided to open up their wallet and pick up the free agents that they picked up, the Twins were more willing to either make the deal with the Sox or Yankees or hold onto Santana for the year. They would have had a better shot at making the playoffs. After the Tigers made their free agent moves, even if the Twins made the deal with the Sox or Yankees, or held onto Santana, it's uncertain, more like unlikely, the Twins could have won the AL Central or Wild Card this year, and the only way you risk not getting anything in return for Santana is if you're sure you can win this year. So essentially what the Twins did was sacrifice the 2008 season (and I don't think it's that much of a sacrifice - I still think they're going to be a team to be dealt with with all of the moves they've made in the off season, although the playoffs are looking unlikely) for the 2010 season. I think the Twins are trying to make the season that they open their brand new stadium one for Twins fans everywhere to remember.
 
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