Iowa State - NCAA Violations
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So out of the 750,000 phone calls made, only 79 of those calls were impermissible? (24 of which were done by coaches) That's 0.01% over a 3 year span. And by coaches only, its only 0.003%.
Wow... Shut down the University, throw the book at us, give us the death penalty!
Wow... Shut down the University, throw the book at us, give us the death penalty!
Well, 2500 monthly phone bills over a three year span would be about 70 phones. And I'm assuming that would be all of the calls on those phones that they had to sift through, not just the recruiting calls. For about 70 phones that would only be about 15 calls per phone per day. If that was indeed all calls on those phones, not just recruiting calls, that would be a pretty reasonable number.
This is what pisses me off about all this.......IF these ALLEGED infractions are indeed something that will cause us probabtion...we could have at least beat Tulsa or Rutgers. Lord, Ohio State and Kansas cheat audaciously with no repurcussions (OSU finally got some karma from tatoo boy) and have gaudy media guides showing wins that will never be wiped off the books, and we get the freaking Tulsa performance.
Ugg.
Ugg.
Its what're the buckeyes play!
...seriously though. It's a Freudian error that ESPN has that all bad news regarding collegiate athletics in Iowa are directed to the Hogeyes...
Translation: "If we were cheating (to the point of being punished) we didn't do a very good job as we couldn't get recruits that could beat Tulsa."
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Translation: "We cheated about as good as Criner did when he was busted"
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*shakes fist at the sky*
DAMN YOU ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL!! DAMN YOU AND YOUR INFERNAL DEVICE ALL TO HELL!!
DAMN YOU ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL!! DAMN YOU AND YOUR INFERNAL DEVICE ALL TO HELL!!
I've heard a couple local radio & TV stations talk about this, & I never heard them say the 79 number. All they talked about is how there were ~1400 calls that weren't documented correctly.
So is the issue the 79 calls, the 1400 mis-documented calls, or both?
So is the issue the 79 calls, the 1400 mis-documented calls, or both?
little of both, the 79 number is the calls that weren't documented that recruits answered. the 1400 is the number of calls that weren't documented properly that the recruits didn't answer
Get a grip guys. Any program that did as exhaustive of a survey of their phone records as Iowa State did would find a few irregularities - and that is what this is, a few irregularities. I'm sure the NCAA is as pleased as punch that Iowa State went to these lengths and self reported what they found. Who probably isn't pleased are all of the other NCAA programs as the NCAA will probably set this ISU review as a bar that they may not technically expect but certainly will use as a measuring stick.
With this survey and the training that they implemented based on the findings, ISU basically demonstrated to the NCAA that they are making every effort to comply. The NCAA will be pleased with what ISU did here.
I assume the 750,000 phone calls reviewed are from personal phones. So, the majority of those calls are probably personal calls. The real question is how many calls are permitted per sport? That would be a better calculation to determine how the 79 impermissible calls compares to the number of calls allowed.
After a day of thinking about this, I have a theory. Maybe JP is daring other institutions to do the same level of exhaustive internal audit ... and disclose the results.
This may be the ultimate proof that JP is several steps ahead of the game. For instance, Baylor disclosed far more violations, but I don't think that they claimed to have done a comprehensive survey. What do you think Iowa, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida, UCLA, etc. would find if they did a similarly exhaustive audit? JP has put us out in front of the industry. "79 violations" and "1400 oversights" may sound like big news today, but I suspect that it will be nothing compared to what comes out from other institutions (if they will even disclose their numbers). This certainly raises the bar in terms of transparency in the industry.
They should have used Skype and magic jack out of their homes instead. Is this why Rutter went Drake?
Yeah, the key is we discovered this on our own and brought it forward. And it's so tricky. Take texting. A conversation could be 5 contacts, but only a few texts.
Being ahead of these things is good...and believe me, whatever happens, you know that the athletics staff/coaches will be retrained/reminded of what is ok/not ok.
I know some of the compliance staff here at ISU...they are top notch. I'm not too worried about this. And as other posters stated, being upfront about this and disclosing openly is a HUGE nod to doing things the right way.
Being ahead of these things is good...and believe me, whatever happens, you know that the athletics staff/coaches will be retrained/reminded of what is ok/not ok.
I know some of the compliance staff here at ISU...they are top notch. I'm not too worried about this. And as other posters stated, being upfront about this and disclosing openly is a HUGE nod to doing things the right way.
If I'm running a program like ISU, where you've probably got some minor things that slipped through the cracks, but you're 99% sure that nothing egregiously wrong went down, I'd play this EXACTLY like JP played it. Here's the advantages, as I see it:
1) Even if the NCAA steps out the penalties from what ISU is self-imposing, you're still so much more in control of the story than you would be if the NCAA audited us on their own and found something.
2) It establishes ISU as one of the "good programs" and potentially buys us some benefit of the doubt if we have a coach unintentionally violate rules in the future.
3) Like Cycsk said, it's basically a dare to the NCAA and other programs to do the same thing. I would assume, even with what this investigation dug up, that ISU is probably one of the cleanest programs in the conference. If other Big 12 schools get put under this kind of microscope, that's only going to lead to good things for ISU.
Uh oh... @TravisHines21
So one of the foremost names in NCAA compliance monitoring says ISU's 1,400 improperly documented calls could/should be a major violation.
RT @John_Infante 79 violations out of 750K phone calls doesn't seem like a big deal but Iowa State had another issue: ow.ly/jHQ21
So one of the foremost names in NCAA compliance monitoring says ISU's 1,400 improperly documented calls could/should be a major violation.
RT @John_Infante 79 violations out of 750K phone calls doesn't seem like a big deal but Iowa State had another issue: ow.ly/jHQ21