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THIS ONE IS ON FRED!!!

DistrictCyclone said:
You're right; risking a technical foul is just what this team needed tonight. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, because arguing with the officials gets you a technical, right? Fred could argue every single call and not get a technical if he knows what he's doing. Coaches do it all the time, every single night.

You usually have to say something pretty bad or go pretty berserk to get a technical.

I don't want Fred to be like the idiot over in IC, Frannie, and embarrass himself. Just stick up for your guys when you don't think they're getting a fair deal. That's all.
 
SC Cy said:
I'm still waiting for one moment when fouling backfired. And by the way, not one person on here is saying Coach Hoiberg was out-coached. What I'm saying is he coached one hell of a game, I just disagree with his philosophy at the end of three-point games. That doesn't mean people that disagree are stupid or don't watch basketball. Easy folks.
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clonedude said:
I've never witnessed it not working. But I've witnessed TONS of game winning or game tying 3 pt shots in my lifetime.
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See, there's this thing called Google that searches for things on this other thing called the Internet, and maybe if you two geniuses knew how to use them, you may have found this:

Up Three, Time Running Out, Do We Foul? The First Comprehensive CBB Analysis | The Harvard College Sports Analysis Collective
 
fsanford said:
We would not even been in this game if it wasn't for Fred.

Jeez some people are just ignorant.

Guy banked a 3.. The probability of making 1 free throw, missing the 2nd and getting a rebound was just has high..
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This, especially given the situation. They have in Withey and Young, who is also very bouncy and good on the glass. We have Ejim and Clyburn on the floor, and have Percy and Booker (both of who have played very little in the second half). With only a few seconds left in Phog Allen you are going to get away with about anything over-the-back. I think the chances of a missed free-throw kick out for an open three as just as good as possibility as McClemore banking in a three.

However, why McClemore even got a touch is a different story...
 
clonedude said:
Yeah, because arguing with the officials gets you a technical, right? Fred could argue every single call and not get a technical if he knows what he's doing. Coaches do it all the time, every single night.

You usually have to say something pretty bad or go pretty berserk to get a technical.

I don't want Fred to be like the idiot over in IC, Frannie, and embarrass himself. Just stick up for your guys when you don't think they're getting a fair deal. That's all.
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Fred has a different style than Larry U., Floyd, and Orr. You'll have to get used to it eventually.
 
clonedude said:
Yeah, because arguing with the officials gets you a technical, right? Fred could argue every single call and not get a technical if he knows what he's doing. Coaches do it all the time, every single night.

You usually have to say something pretty bad or go pretty berserk to get a technical.

I don't want Fred to be like the idiot over in IC, Frannie, and embarrass himself. Just stick up for your guys when you don't think they're getting a fair deal. That's all.
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...you're kidding, right? Have you ever watched a basketball game? Like, say, ISU vs Michigan State in 2000 or against Kentucky last year?
 
kingcy said:
He could have made one missed one KU gets the rebound hits a 3 for the win.

He could have made one missed one ISU gets called for a foul on the rebound. KU goes to the line for the win.

We all know how games get called in Allen Fieldhouse.

This isnt the first game KU won in the last few seconds.
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Exactly!!!!!! Ding ding ding. You have to factor that in to your decision.
 
Lol...would it make people feel better if he came out with a public apology saying he made a mistake...it probably was, it happens have to move on.
 
If we foul and they win the game we are having the exact opposite conversation about how we should not have fouled. So every needs to shut their mouth because you are not the coach. Fred gets paid lots of money to make decisions like this.
 
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I do agree with what many have said. No chance we are even in this game without Fred. Great game plan stretching Withey out and a great job getting his teams attention after a lackluster win against Yale.
 
clonedude said:
Looks like there's quite a bit of debate regarding these findings as well. Not a true representation it appears.
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At a minimum, the findings indicate that their is a similar chance of winning using either strategy. It's not the "if we foul we win the game" conclusion many have stated on here. Too many factors that you can't account for in a study, like, say, the other team having a 7 footer on the floor to rebound a missed foul shot, the fact that your playing in one of the hardest arenas to get a call, etc.
 
clonedude said:
Yeah, because arguing with the officials gets you a technical, right? Fred could argue every single call and not get a technical if he knows what he's doing. Coaches do it all the time, every single night.
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Why would a ref give a 50/50 call to the guy thats being annoying arguing at everything?
 
DistrictCyclone said:
See, there's this thing called Google that searches for things on this other thing called the Internet, and maybe if you two geniuses knew how to use them, you may have found this:

Up Three, Time Running Out, Do We Foul? The First Comprehensive CBB Analysis | The Harvard College Sports Analysis Collective
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Stay classy San Diego.

The analysis that you linked stated that there is no significant difference between the two strategies. So, thanks for throwing out names when your own theory is just as correct/incorrect as the other.
 
SC Cy said:
Stay classy San Diego.

The analysis that you linked stated that there is no significant difference between the two strategies. So, thanks for throwing out names when your own theory is just as correct/incorrect as the other.
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At least he used statistical evidence to convey his point instead of you just going based off of your own memory.
 
I don't blame the loss on Fred or any one player but CFH made the wrong choice in not fouling. Not saying fire him or he is a bad coach but I bet he fouls next time...

Either way the teams performance was encouraging.
 
SC Cy said:
Stay classy San Diego.

The analysis that you linked stated that there is no significant difference between the two strategies. So, thanks for throwing out names when your own theory is just as correct/incorrect as the other.
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Listen, bub, you're the one audaciously claiming that teams who foul neeever end up losing the game. As a reminder:
SC Cy said:
I've never seen one instance where the team up three and fouls loses.
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SC Cy said:
I'm still waiting for one moment when fouling backfired.
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So I did what most 1st graders can do these days and Googled it for you, and found this: Of the 52 teams that committed a foul, six lost the game. Also, I never said one way was right or wrong; all I wanted twas show you clowns who baselessly think that fouling is the better strategy that you're, well, clowns.


 
ISU gave it everything they had tonight, Hoiberg had a great game plan. KU just got lucky, sometimes thats just the way it goes. Hopefully we bounce right back and take care of business against Texas this weekend. Play like we did tonight and we win a lot of conference games and go dancing!
 
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