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ttuadvisor said:
Yeah, I can definitely see how my original post in this thread reads poorly now. I was implying with the circumstances that Tuberville is in, but I didn't say that. My apologies, poorly worded on my behalf.
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No offense taken, regardless, good luck with your coaching search.
 
ttraiderbacker said:
Losing to ISU isn't why Tubs is supposedly on the hot seat. Losing the games we lost last year, in the fashion we lost them, is why people are saying he's on the hot seat. Tech wasn't close in any of the last 5 games, with the exception of Mizzou.

Getting absolutely humiliated in front of your own home crowd by ISU, OSU, and BU on a neutral field, but in front of your alumni base, and getting destroyed by an average UT team on the road, is why people think he should be on the hot seat...not because of 2 straight losses to ISU.

Besides, Leach left this program with no defense, and a lack of depth. Tubs is trying to get it back, and he should have longer than 3 years to do that.
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Maybe he inherited poor recruits?! Maybe he has poor support staff, maybe you have poor facilities and can't get recruits. Not everything always is on the coach! Over the past 2 seasons have you had all sell outs, how bout before than? maybe you just have a poor fan base?!?

Also TTUadvisor, CPR would laugh at you if you called and there's no way he wants to be in Texas. Go cry on your own forums and boards!
 
VeloClone said:
^^^^Exactly. If that is what you mean then say it. "Any Texas Tech coach" says to me regardless of what else is happening so, yes, you did say just losing thrice to ISU puts them on the hot seat.

EDIT: I agree that how the Tech experience has gone for Tubs coupled with another loss to ISU Saturday puts him on the hot seat. Frankly, I think he started the season there.
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I guess from the outside, I can see why people would put Tubs on the hot seat, but if you knew what transpired during the Leach era, you might would want to give Tubs some more time.

Tubs is trying to build a program the right way, and thats through recruiting. Leach only used his system to maintain his 7-5 record. Tubs is trying to build depth. Tubs is trying to raise money for the program, while Leach never cared. Tubs is trying to be an ambassador for the Tech program, and be the face of it. Leach didn't care unless it was to benefit him, and his offensive system. Tubs is trying to build a defense to complement the offense. Leach didn't know the names of most of his defensive players. For 10 years, offense is all that was cared about, and now the defense is finally having someone care about it.

Tubs is trying to change the culture around the Tech football program, and for one, hope he gets the time to do it. Tech has already had their two best recruiting classes under him, and better than any in the previous 10 years.

Sometimes, you have to look a little deeper than just the W/L record, and determine if a program is on the right track...but unfortunately this is college athletics, and there's a lot of money at stake. Some people just don't have the patience, and foresee what's on the horizon.
 
ttuadvisor said:
Up until last year Texas Tech had 20 straight years without a losing record. I hardly call that hovering around .500 Last year was a disaster across the board. If Tuberville starts out this year by losing to the media picked 8th/9th best team in the conference he's going to be on the hot seat. That's not arrogance, that's not disrespect to Iowa State, that's just the reality of the situation. That's why Tuberville is proclaiming this to be a very important game, he badly needs this win at this point in his Tech career.
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Don't get all caught up in the pre-season rankings for ISU. ISU hasn't been picked by any of the experts to win more then 3 games in any season under Paul Rhoads. This year ISU was picked by many to win only 2 games. These predictions don't mean anything and certainly don't mean anything to ISU. They keep predicting doom and gloom and ISU keeps blowing those predictions out of the water. The ISU team that Tech is about to face sure as hell isn't an 8th or 9th place Big XII team. They are much better then that and you can count on finding that out the hard way on Saturday night.
 
cyhiphopp said:
Fixed that for

Here's the deal. I don't think your percieved talent advantage is that great. ISU and TTu go after a lot of the same players. You have brought in some highly rated prospects but if those guys don't play like 4 stars (or aren't playing yet) it doesn't really make you that much better.

You are acting like TTU is a 9 win team and has lost games to lowly ISU every year when in fact TTU has been hovering around .500 just like ISU.

Tubs is on the hot seat not just for losing to ISU but for peeing down his leg and losing 5 straight to end last year.
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Tech has been an 8-9 win team with one 11 win season every year since 2002. Last year being the one exception. The last losing season was 1992. So no tech has not been hovering around 500. Don't just make crap up that you have no clue about seen that a bunch from several on this board" but not all there are several knowledgeable posters here as we'll"
 
AnotherTechguy said:
Tech has been an 8-9 win team with one 11 win season every year since 2002. Last year being the one exception. The last losing season was 1992. So no tech has not been hovering around 500. Don't just make crap up that you have no clue about seen that a bunch from several on this board" but not all there are several knowledgeable posters here as we'll"
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You obviously didn't see his second post explaining he was talking about Tech under Tubs.
 
AnotherTechguy said:
Tech has been an 8-9 win team with one 11 win season every year since 2002. Last year being the one exception. The last losing season was 1992. So no tech has not been hovering around 500. Don't just make crap up that you have no clue about seen that a bunch from several on this board" but not all there are several knowledgeable posters here as we'll"
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I believe the .500 references are in relation to B12 play. No one cares about Tech's annual beatdowns of the sisters of the poor. By my count Tech is 71-58 in B12 conference play (.550 winning %). So yeah, about .500.
 
AnotherTechguy said:
Tech has been an 8-9 win team with one 11 win season every year since 2002. Last year being the one exception. The last losing season was 1992. So no tech has not been hovering around 500. Don't just make crap up that you have no clue about seen that a bunch from several on this board" but not all there are several knowledgeable posters here as we'll"[/QUOTE]

Did you actually pass 6th grade English class? Oh, I forgot you are from Texas.....
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ttraiderbacker said:
I guess from the outside, I can see why people would put Tubs on the hot seat, but if you knew what transpired during the Leach era, you might would want to give Tubs some more time.

Tubs is trying to build a program the right way, and thats through recruiting. Leach only used his system to maintain his 7-5 record. Tubs is trying to build depth. Tubs is trying to raise money for the program, while Leach never cared. Tubs is trying to be an ambassador for the Tech program, and be the face of it. Leach didn't care unless it was to benefit him, and his offensive system. Tubs is trying to build a defense to complement the offense. Leach didn't know the names of most of his defensive players. For 10 years, offense is all that was cared about, and now the defense is finally having someone care about it.

Tubs is trying to change the culture around the Tech football program, and for one, hope he gets the time to do it. Tech has already had their two best recruiting classes under him, and better than any in the previous 10 years.

Sometimes, you have to look a little deeper than just the W/L record, and determine if a program is on the right track...but unfortunately this is college athletics, and there's a lot of money at stake. Some people just don't have the patience, and foresee what's on the horizon.
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I agree that Tubs is trying to build the program the right way. Unfortunately, losing your first conference game is really going to negatively affect your fan base and recruiting. If we can't beat ISU, what does that say about our chances against UT, WVU, KSU? I'm not suggesting that Tubs should be fired on the spot if we lose in Ames, but a loss should firmly plant him on the hot seat, and without improvement over last years record should get him fired.
 
Well, if they fire Tubby for losing to us three years in a row, here are some suggestions of coaches for TT:

1. Gene Chizek
2. Kirk Ferentz
 
Cyclonestate78 said:
The ISU team that Tech is about to face sure as hell isn't an 8th or 9th place Big XII team. They are much better then that and you can count on finding that out the hard way on Saturday night.
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Just out of curiosity. What place do you predict Iowa State finishing in the conference? Where do you see Tech finishing in the conference?
 
ttuadvisor said:
I agree that Tubs is trying to build the program the right way. Unfortunately, losing your first conference game is really going to negatively affect your fan base and recruiting. If we can't beat ISU, what does that say about our chances against UT, WVU, KSU? I'm not suggesting that Tubs should be fired on the spot if we lose in Ames, but a loss should firmly plant him on the hot seat, and without improvement over last years record should get him fired.
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Can you guys can have discussions about your coaching search on your own board?
 
ttuadvisor said:
I agree that Tubs is trying to build the program the right way. Unfortunately, losing your first conference game is really going to negatively affect your fan base and recruiting. If we can't beat ISU, what does that say about our chances against UT, WVU, KSU? I'm not suggesting that Tubs should be fired on the spot if we lose in Ames, but a loss should firmly plant him on the hot seat, and without improvement over last years record should get him fired.
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His seat won't be hot after Saturday night. It will look more like this....

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ttuadvisor said:
Just out of curiosity. What place do you predict Iowa State finishing in the conference? Where do you see Tech finishing in the conference?
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Much like Paul Rhoads I don't think there should be a ceiling placed on what this ISU team can do. With that in mind I will leave the predictions for ISU to the uneducated masses. As far as Tech goes this year... I can easily see them repeating a 9th place finish in the Big XII again this season.
 
Cyclonz said:
I don't think the past two years of winning matters much - new year, different players - huge home game for Iowa State.
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That's true, a new day, a new game that starts out 0-0, two teams that are much different than a year ago.
 
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