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Cychotiic said:
Can you explain? I simply don't understand I guess. CPR has said Irving isn't developing as quickly as they would have liked. That's as negative as a quote as I think I have ever seen. Why is simply posing a question asking for other peoples an opinion an over reaction? Did I say he wasn't developing? Did I say he sucked? Did I say he will never contribute. No I simply posed a hypothetical situation
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Assuming the staff recruiting a JUCO DL is a sign that they are already giving up on a true sophomore that they have raved about in the past is an over-reaction, hypothetical or not.

Can we let this kid play a few more games before deciding he's a bust?
 
Cychotiic said:
Does anyone think us going after Coe means the coaching staff is losing faith in Irving developing into what they thought he would? I'm assuming Coe will switch to DE? Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but it doesn't seem like the staff has been very positive on Irving lately
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What is wrong with you? You try to recruit better players at every position every year. This isn't the NFL where you have one guy for years. They are here for four to five years, starting maybe two or three if they are real good.
 
Cychotiic said:
Does anyone think us going after Coe means the coaching staff is losing faith in Irving developing into what they thought he would? I'm assuming Coe will switch to DE? Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but it doesn't seem like the staff has been very positive on Irving lately
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I think the coaching staff is recruiting the best athletes at every position. This may be a risk but our skill level at the DE position the last few seasons has been sub par. I think it's a good risk to take.
 
Cychotiic said:
Can you explain? I simply don't understand I guess. CPR has said Irving isn't developing as quickly as they would have liked. That's as negative as a quote as I think I have ever seen. Why is simply posing a question asking for other peoples an opinion an over reaction? Did I say he wasn't developing? Did I say he sucked? Did I say he will never contribute. No I simply posed a hypothetical situation
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I've seen this quoted a few times and I think it is taken out of context a little bit. CPR said this and then explained further afterwards that the reason he felt this way was because of the huge potential they see in Irving and they (the coaching staff) would like to see that athletic potential realized. He didn't say Irving is a bust, but more that they would like the "light turn on" for him. Sometimes it takes a little bit a la Jeremiah George.
 
bosco said:
I've seen this quoted a few times and I think it is taken out of context a little bit. CPR said this and then explained further afterwards that the reason he felt this way was because of the huge potential they see in Irving and they (the coaching staff) would like to see that athletic potential realized. He didn't say Irving is a bust, but more that they would like the "light turn on" for him. Sometimes it takes a little bit a la Jeremiah George.
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Ah this makes sense, and maybe JG is a good comparison. He didn't seem like he was going to be much of a player until this year he exploded. Hopefully Irving will do the same
 
I think we will stockpile any and all DL recruits that the staff thinks can be good at the Big 12 level. Tougest position to recruit, so I think we take any and all that we like. Plus, we've been light on DE recruiting at times, and it looks like some of those freshman will grow into DTs.
 
Cychotiic said:
Don't recall saying the staff should cut him because he isn't an all-american. Sheesh the way some of you guys over react on this board is ridiculous. Just a simple question looking for someones input.
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Valid question. Some here just do not like hearing there is a chance that 4 years may not be enough time for Irving to become a major factor at DE. On the positive side, expectations were low for his first year and he does have 3 more seasons to improve. On the downside, he does have a long ways to go, and CPR has made remarks alluding to hoping DI would be further along.
 
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Bottom line for me is that Irving badly needed a redshirt season last year and didn't get it. It's the same way with Dutch Rumpelhamer. I realize injuries happen, but it's inexcusable to not have enough depth that a true freshman DL has to play. I'm sorry, but it just is and shows the sorry state of quality depth at DLine we have had.

I'm hoping we get a couple serviceable years out of him at this point, and that these kinds of situations can be avoided in the future with better depth. He'll probably have a really good senior year and we'll be sitting there thinking, "man I wish he was just a redshirt junior."
 
First, Coe hasn't committed.
Second, just because there is one guy at DE with a lot of potential does not mean you stop going after DEs. ISU is very weak at that position and getting a guy with Coe's talent doesn't happen very often at ISU.
Third, the ideal would be to redshirt Coe if he comes since he will have only had one season playine Dline. Unless he picks it up really fast.
Fourth. Coe has plenty of talent but who knows if he will actually pan out at Dline because his work ethic seems questionable and he may not even make grades as it seems he is still struggling with that.
 
Cyclophile1 said:
Bottom line for me is that Irving badly needed a redshirt season last year and didn't get it. It's the same way with Dutch Rumpelhamer. I realize injuries happen, but it's inexcusable to not have enough depth that a true freshman DL has to play. I'm sorry, but it just is and shows the sorry state of quality depth at DLine we have had.

I'm hoping we get a couple serviceable years out of him at this point, and that these kinds of situations can be avoided in the future with better depth. He'll probably have a really good senior year and we'll be sitting there thinking, "man I wish he was just a redshirt junior."
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Good post. Irving should never have played last year IMO. It was a wasted year. But, for whatever reason, they played him.

And.... I've never heard any of the coaches speak about how great David Irving is... NEVER. People have been coming on these boards for a year now talking about how David Irving is going to be a stud, he's going to be in the NFL, and even one poster said that they believed he'd leave a year early for the NFL.

It has steadily gotten WAY out of hand all the expectations that fans with no idea what they are talking about have placed on this kid, just because of his size. Size isn't even close to the most important thing in becoming a great football player.

But every coach I've ever heard talk about David Irving says that he's a work in progress and has a lot yet to learn. Rhoads even said he's not as far along as he'd wished he'd be. The kid hasn't been playing football very long, give him a break. He will be what he will be, but chances are he won't live up to all the hype people have wrongly put on him.

And as far as Coe... if the coaches feel he can help us both on the field and keep everything together off the field, I'm fine with giving him a shot. You can't have too many good DE's.
 
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clonedude said:
Good post. Irving should never have played last year IMO. It was a wasted year. But, for whatever reason, they played him.

And.... I've never heard any of the coaches speak about how great David Irving is... NEVER. People have been coming on these boards for a year now talking about how David Irving is going to be a stud, he's going to be in the NFL, and even one poster said that they believed he'd leave a year early for the NFL.

It has steadily gotten WAY out of hand all the expectations that fans with no idea what they are talking about have placed on this kid, just because of his size. Size isn't even close to the most important thing in becoming a great football player.

But every coach I've ever heard talk about David Irving says that he's a work in progress and has a lot yet to learn. Rhoads even said he's not as far along as he'd wished he'd be. The kid hasn't been playing football very long, give him a break. He will be what he will be, but chances are he won't live up to all the hype people have wrongly put on him.

And as far as Coe... if the coaches feel he can help us both on the field and keep everything together off the field, I'm fine with giving him a shot. You can't have too many good DE's.
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you probably shouldn't be criticizing people for taking things out of hand and how they have no idea what they're talking about
 
I know Coe hasn't committed but I don't see anything wrong with going after talented DEs to rush the passer. In the pass-happy conference we're in I would love to have two monsters on the ends causing trouble for opposing QBs...assuming Coe and Irving turn out to be monsters at DE
 
Another thing worth adding is that morrisey will also be in the same class as these two. If I'm not mistaken
 
HawkAssassin said:
you probably shouldn't be criticizing people for taking things out of hand and how they have no idea what they're talking about
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And you probably shouldn't be posting over here with Hawkeye garbage all over your posts. Go back to IC.
 
Cychotiic said:
Can you explain? I simply don't understand I guess. CPR has said Irving isn't developing as quickly as they would have liked. That's as negative as a quote as I think I have ever seen.
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Your mistake is that's not what he said. What he said is that it would be nice if he were ready, because he has so much potential, but he's not.
 
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