*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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I have never read anything more convincing in my life. His sources sound legit. His reasoning is beyond reproach. That was the closest thing to brilliance that the Internet has ever seen. That post is the reason Al Gore created this thing.

His 4 posts must mean he is very reputable. ISU is screwed.
 
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That made my night. As a Cyclone living in Omaha, I really hope Nebraska fans get a nice dose of humility. They seriously thought that the Big 12 would cave after they left just because they left. It has been so sweet watching the Big 12 become stronger and more exciting since the Huskers left. Looking forward to a strong Big 12 (whether it expands or not), and Nebby becoming irrelevant playing boring *** football in the Big 10.

FSU, ND, Clemson or not, I can't wait for football season to start. This is going to be a blast watching these 10 teams compete.
 
My family is full of Husker fans. Not a single one of them thought the Big 12 was going to fold simply because Nebraska left. They all did assume, however, that it would collapse because of the drama surrounding Texas, and at the time of their departure it looked very likely that half the league was leaving for the West Coast to join the Pac-10.

The Big 12 held together though. Some tough work was put in by the leadership at schools like ISU, KSU, Baylor, OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. to come up with a plan to save this conference and make it thrive.
 
For those wondering if a 10 team big 12 has enough to be in the new NC playoff structure. Here are the teams in the current conference membership that finished in the top 4 AP (top 10 listed also) since 2000:

2011:
#3 Okie State (sorry it wasn't higher guys)

2010:
#2 TCU (OU #6)

2009:
#2 Texas (TCU #6)

2008:
#4 Texas (OU #5, TCU #7)

2007:
None (WV #6, Kansas #7, OU #8, Texas #10)

2006:
None (WV #10)

2005:
#1 Texas

2004:
#2 OU (Texas was #5)

2003:
#3 OU

2002:
none (OU #5, TX #6, KSU, #7)

2001:
None (TX #5, OU #6)

2000:
#1 OU (KSU was number 9)


I would say with the list above if the Big 12 wasn't included it wouldn't really be much of a national championship. Only 4 times in the last 11 years has the current Big 12 membership not finished the season with at least 1 team that would be top 4 based on the final AP poll. I know these are after bowl games as well, it was harder to find prebowl game polls so I didn't bother...


Assuming a selection committee instead of straight polling determines the participants and it's limited to top 4... 2006 is the only season a Big 12 team wouldn't have been talked about for selection. 1 time in the last 12 years would a team from the conference not been talked about.
 
Have we turned on West Virginia that fast?

Its a joke.

But read their Scout board. There are just INSANE rumors (both positive and negative) flying around over there and all kinds of purported "insiders" arguing with each other over who has the right info and what not.

There was someone saying that they'll try to leave for the ACC in the next 5 days because DeLoss Dodds wanted Notre Dame in the Big 12. The thing of it is, we have no freaking idea about any of those rumors of who wants who and what kind of information is true. This is all coming from people who have agendas and are saying what they want to hear. There was a theory that Texas pushed away FSU/Clemson in order to woo Notre Dame, but that's never been proven. There was a theory that FSU is coming to the Big 12 regardless of how Texas feels about Notre Dame, but that's never been proven. The bottom line is that Texas/Dodds has one vote, and if he's getting any more clout than that, its because the other ADs allow it, OR they agree with him.

Until anything happens one way or another, this is all very baseless, very wild conjecture that people tend to take as gospel if it matches either what they want to hear or what they're afraid they're going to hear.
 
Its a joke.

But read their Scout board. There are just INSANE rumors (both positive and negative) flying around over there and all kinds of purported "insiders" arguing with each other over who has the right info and what not.

There was someone saying that they'll try to leave for the ACC in the next 5 days because DeLoss Dodds wanted Notre Dame in the Big 12. The thing of it is, we have no freaking idea about any of those rumors of who wants who and what kind of information is true. This is all coming from people who have agendas and are saying what they want to hear. There was a theory that Texas pushed away FSU/Clemson in order to woo Notre Dame, but that's never been proven. There was a theory that FSU is coming to the Big 12 regardless of how Texas feels about Notre Dame, but that's never been proven. The bottom line is that Texas/Dodds has one vote, and if he's getting any more clout than that, its because the other ADs allow it, OR they agree with him.

Until anything happens one way or another, this is all very baseless, very wild conjecture that people tend to take as gospel if it matches either what they want to hear or what they're afraid they're going to hear.

That board is the epitome of fact-less.
 
This is the best post I've read on that site in a long time:

Scout.com: How "inside" info usually works...


I am not a wildly "connected" person by any stretch of the imagination, but because I write for a KSU fan site, I do have friends in the media, have contact with "connected" people, and I do know, tangentially, some employees of the KSU AD.

In the past few years, here's what I've learned about "inside" sources:

1) Donors talk a lot. They're rarely right. It's hard because you have to learn which ones are telling you the truth as opposed to telling you what they want to happen and then relay that as fact. During our basketball hiring search, my guy connected to multiple big money donors threw out a lot of names, but he ignored the guy that said, "It's gonna be Bruce Weber," because it wasn't what he wanted to hear, and he thought it was crazy talk.

2) People in the media know info around the story, but they, obviously, aren't on the inside. So, the media guys follow the smoke, and they get a lot of circumstantial evidence that allows them to put a picture together, but it's rarely 100% accurate. I learned a lot of things about Frank Martin from a media friend that most people never knew about because he was calling parents, AAU clubs, etc. He was able to share some personal experiences with me that painted a different picture than the public persona. But he wasn't going to put a lot of this stuff out in the open, and I wasn't going to talk openly about it, because he had a relationship with Frank to protect for professional reasons.

3) People who really know, i.e. AD employees, don't talk. When they do talk, it's after the fact, and you only get enough to the point where they don't want to put their jobs in jeopardy. I got some decent stuff about our stadium renovations, Nike contract, etc., but nothing of significant importance. I just knew a few weeks before everyone else, or if the info was never released, I knew about it.

I've enjoyed people throwing out scenarios on here for the purposes of entertainment, and some of it had a basis in reality, therefore, it was plausible. But no one feeds information as fast and with the level of detail that people were tossing out here, and if they were, it was most likely coming from donors. If KSU and John Currie run the gulag that I know they do, I can only imagine that Oliver Luck runs an even tighter ship. The "info" we were getting wasn't within the WVU AD (if it was ever real to begin with).

This isn't an attack on the "insiders" on this board. But before people go at them with pitchforks, or want DeLoss Dodd's head on a platter, please remember that there is a kernel of truth and a cob fiction with rumors like this. We're most likely going to expand, and Notre Dame and Florida State will most likely be the most desired options. All of that is most likely true. Beyond that...well, just take everything with a grain of salt.
 
The WVU board is just plain hard to read anymore when it comes to expansion rumors. They all fight with each other and create new topics with nothing more than a sentence or insult...its just dumb.
 
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