*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[HFCS]

I don't know that byu staying in the mwc is a better option than independence, you're assuming boise wouldn't have gone to the big east. byu is after exposure, and they are on espn quite a bit, which is really what they're after and the mwc didn't offer a lot before the better football teams left.

In hindsight, I'm positive BYU/BSU/SDSU would all have been better off staying together and limiting their MWC membership to Nevada, Hawaii, Fresno State and previous MWC schools. There's no scenario where TCU/Utah would have been wise to stay but the way things shook out the other three made the wrong choice.

At the time the decisions were made I understand the choices of all 3, but it really f'd things up for themselves and the whole FBS conference picture.

The unfortunate thing is that the choice that would have been best for those 3 schools in hindsight, would have also majorly helped nearly a dozen other schools, a few conferences, and college football as a whole.

BYU is going to be stuck scheduling nobodies every oct/nov. They could have scheduled powerhouse teams early and still had BSU, Nevada, Hawaii on the schedule later. Not a B12 schedule but much better than their option now.

BSU and SDSU aren't going to hang onto the AQ bid they sought because AQ is going out the window. SDSU was never going to get it over Boise State anyway. They aren't going to play any regional conference games, and their SOS is going to be exactly the same as it would have been if BYU/BSU had stuck it out in the MWC together.

College football landscape as a whole would have been better off with the Big East adding just 3 teams from among Navy/CUSA to get to 8 until they get raided again, not the 7 they added to their remaining 5. When UConn, Rutgers and Louisville left it would have been a zero big deal for Cincy and USF to go back to CUSA where they came from, especially now that there's no AQ. Instead we have this monstrosity of a conference that makes no sense.

 

[Trainer]

Scout.com: Notes from the past few days....

Really interesting stuff here. Anyone else read the press release from FSU's Athletic department or someone in it. Saying they need to make financial changes soon or their coaches will leave.

Is FSU that far behind the times? Is the ACC that bad of a conference to play football in? I always thought of FSU as a powerhouse where anyone would want to play. That report makes it sound dilapidated, old and out dated.

 

[HFCS]

Really interesting stuff here. Anyone else read the press release from FSU's Athletic department or someone in it. Saying they need to make financial changes soon or their coaches will leave.

Is FSU that far behind the times? Is the ACC that bad of a conference to play football in? I always thought of FSU as a powerhouse where anyone would want to play. That report makes it sound dilapidated, old and out dated.

They have 3 schools that have been elite and along with several that have been very good in the past...but it's been quite a while since any of them were able to sniff Big 12 or SEC level success, or even Big Ten success.

It's hard to argue that the current B12 +FSU/Clemson would not be as competitive and nearly as profitable as anything going. Certainly it would be as or more competitive than any other league.

With the ACC already at 14, it wouldn't cause the seismic shifts you had from reducing other conferences to just 8 and 5 teams recently. They stay at an ideal 12 or add Rutgers/UConn from BE to stay at 14. That monstrosity of a conference would still have 10 "football" members.

 

[Trainer]

The guys over at scout are salivating reading the article from FSU. Seems like a lot of smoke from FSU...

 

[Palmer]

a storm is coming and the Big 12 will soon rival the SEC for superiority.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Scout.com: Behind the numbers: Explaining FSU’s athletics budget shortfall

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Scout.com: Take 2 now and let the others come to us.

 

[CyBer]

Things are starting to get really interesting it seems.

 

[CyBer]

Big12Conference
RT @IASTATEAD: At #Big12 meetings in Phoenix. Best I have felt about Big 12 in my 7 years. Great things on the horizon for Cyclones, Big12

This is good to hear.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Scout.com: This and that - wk ending 5/4/2012

 

[snowcraig2.0]

And now Notre Dame joins the mix....



Scout.com: Adding my information to the discussion

 

[HFCS]

And now Notre Dame joins the mix....



Scout.com: Adding my information to the discussion

I'm actually kind of down on ND now even though I'd love driving 90 minutes to see basketball games. Doesn't seem like a move that screams "decades of stability" to me the way adding a block of eastern schools with WVU does. If we make a big splash expansion ND would be the only school that would have B1G overtures. We're not adding any of their other rumored candidates, and ISU is a good fit but doesn't bring them enough $ to offer us. I guess KU might have a slight chance at a future offer from them.

 

[isufan]

I'm actually kind of down on ND now even though I'd love driving 90 minutes to see basketball games. Doesn't seem like a move that screams "decades of stability" to me the way adding a block of eastern schools with WVU does. If we make a big splash expansion ND would be the only school that would have B1G overtures. We're not adding any of their other rumored candidates, and ISU is a good fit but doesn't bring them enough $ to offer us. I guess KU might have a slight chance at a future offer from them.

If the Big 12 expands and the money from the four team playoff comes through, I don't think anybody would be jumping from the Big 12 to Big 10 anyway.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

If the Big 12 expands and the money from the four team playoff comes through, I don't think anybody would be jumping from the Big 12 to Big 10 anyway.

I think ISU would jump to the Big 10, no question about that. We are on an island right now.

 

[HFCS]

If the Big 12 expands and the money from the four team playoff comes through, I don't think anybody would be jumping from the Big 12 to Big 10 anyway.

True, but ND is such a total geographic fit I think they would seriously think about it, they're a better geographic fit than any current Big Ten teams even with extremely close access to all the IL, MI and IN schools.

You could bring up that playing in Florida and Texas is an advantage, but I wonder if the Notre Dame mythos doesn't wipe that out. They haven't been losing because they don't get good recruits, unless I'm mistaken they keep pulling them in. I think that argument is going to eventually come true for Nebraska in recruiting to the B1G's most remote and rural outpost, but won't matter much for ND being near Chicago and such a brand.

 

[HFCS]

I think ISU would jump to the Big 10, no question about that. We are on an island right now.

But we wouldn't get an invite. KU is the only B12 or rumored B12 school outside of ND that I think could possibly get an invite AND accept it at this point (but still highly unlikely). ND would always be in that B1G expansion discussion and personally I'd just rather have 2-4 of the teams in the ACC/Louisville rumors.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I assume ND would have to sign the 13 year grant of rights too.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I didn't realize the amount of hatred between WVU and Louisville.

 

[isufan]

I don't want Notre Dame unless they are all in. We don't need partial members.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I think ISU would jump to the Big 10, no question about that. We are on an island right now.

Ah I dont know anymore if the Big 12 is as stable as it seems, we would kill our football program with a move to the Big 10.