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Lewdawg123

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Here are the teams we are competing with for at large spots and how they did today so far. Parenthesis - Opponent RPI

Virginia - W vs. Maryland (94)
Miami - W vs. Wake Forest (157)
NC State - L vs. FSU (19)
UConn - L vs Marquette (10)
Seton Hall L @ Cincy (84)
Minnesota @ NW - Playing Now - both bubble teams
Illinois - L @ Nebby (121)
Texas - L @ Okie St (103)
KState - W @ Baylor (11)
Cal - Play Oregon St (152) tonight
Arizona - L @ Washington (53)
Washington - W vs. Arizona (68)
Alabama - W vs. Tenn (106)
Miss St - @ Auburn (137) later
Xavier - vs. Dayton (71) later
BYU - @ Santa Clara (277)
Central Florida vs East Carolina (180) playing now.

Seton Hall, Illinois, and Texas with big losses today that hurt a lot. Uconn and NC State didn't help themselves with losses. KState with a HUGE win. Hope for some of these other bubble teams to lose tonight.
 
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Personally, I think as long as we beat TT and have respectable performances in the remaining games, we are in. Winning a game or two of the other three would be icing on the cake.

While watching a couple minutes of the Murray State game, Vitale was ranting about how a 25-3 mid major school shouldn't be kept out of the NCAA tournament just because they lose in their conference tournament. He argues that they never get a chance to play the big boys and that a team in a major conference that can't finish above .500 in their own conference should not be allowed to play in NCAA tournament. My problem with this argument is that if the "big boys" schedule these teams, then he criticizes them for playing a "cupcake" non conference schedule. Another problem I have with this is you are putting the "big boys" in the position of having to forecast a couple of years in advance which of the mid majors is going to be good. Who would have guessed before the season started that Murray State would be this good? Are they really that good, or is it the competition they play? I wish somebody would ask Vitale if he thought Murray State should get a better seed in the tourney than Duke or UNC because their record is better.

GO CYCLONES!!!
 
gocubs2118 said:
I'm not sure if I'd consider Virginia a bubble team.
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They're probably in, but they could easily play themselves out of the tournament in the next two weeks. Play @VT, who already beat them this season. Then have UNC, who blew them out last week. FSU and @ Maryland aren't easy games either. Not sure an 8-8 ACC team with only one "signature" win (Michigan) gets in.
 
cycfan said:
Personally, I think as long as we beat TT and have respectable performances in the remaining games, we are in. Winning a game or two of the other three would be icing on the cake.

While watching a couple minutes of the Murray State game, Vitale was ranting about how a 25-3 mid major school shouldn't be kept out of the NCAA tournament just because they lose in their conference tournament. He argues that they never get a chance to play the big boys and that a team in a major conference that can't finish above .500 in their own conference should not be allowed to play in NCAA tournament. My problem with this argument is that if the "big boys" schedule these teams, then he criticizes them for playing a "cupcake" non conference schedule. Another problem I have with this is you are putting the "big boys" in the position of having to forecast a couple of years in advance which of the mid majors is going to be good. Who would have guessed before the season started that Murray State would be this good? Are they really that good, or is it the competition they play? I wish somebody would ask Vitale if he thought Murray State should get a better seed in the tourney than Duke or UNC because their record is better.

GO CYCLONES!!!
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You are treading on Roy/Mike Hallowed Ground.
 
Lewdawg123 said:
Here are the teams we are competing with for at large spots and how they did today so far. Parenthesis - Opponent RPI

Virginia - W vs. Maryland (94)
Miami - W vs. Wake Forest (157)
NC State - L vs. FSU (19)
UConn - L vs Marquette (10)
Seton Hall L @ Cincy (84)
Minnesota @ NW - Playing Now - both bubble teams
Illinois - L @ Nebby (121)
Texas - L @ Okie St (103)
KState - W @ Baylor (11)
Cal - Play Oregon St (152) tonight
Arizona - L @ Washington (53)
Washington - W vs. Arizona (68)
Alabama - W vs. Tenn (106)
Miss St - @ Auburn (137) later
Xavier - vs. Dayton (71) later
BYU - @ Santa Clara (277)
Central Florida vs East Carolina (180) playing now.

Seton Hall, Illinois, and Texas with big losses today that hurt a lot. Uconn and NC State didn't help themselves with losses. KState with a HUGE win. Hope for some of these other bubble teams to lose tonight.
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Not a ton of movement.

I don't like overuse of the term "eye test," but Illinois just doesn't seem like a tournament team, does it? Numbers & quality wins are there, but tournament teams cann't get spanked that badly vs. sub-100s.
 
Cyclonepride said:
Cincyclone said:
Conference standings have nothing to do with our tourney chances.
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BS. It may not be any kind of official criteria, but it matters.
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Head to head, RPI, SOS, quality wins, bad losses, and how you finish are all more important than conference standings. The committee gas stated and proven multiple times that conference standings are not a major criteria for selecting the teams.
 
Cincyclone said:
Head to head, RPI, SOS, quality wins, bad losses, and how you finish are all more important than conference standings. The committee gas stated and proven multiple times that conference standings are not a major criteria for selecting the teams.
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Maybe not major, but I think it would be really, really hard to leave out the 4th place team in the (allegedly) 2nd best conference in the country.
 
I can agree with you there. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of if they're comparing two teams from the same conference.
 
When looking at mock brackets, keep in mind that automatic bid-stealers can't be identified yet, which will decrease the number of spots available. Consider:

- If anyone but Creighton or Wichita State wins Arch Madness, that's one less spot for ISU.
- If anyone but Southern Miss or Memphis wins the CUSA, that's one less spot.
- If anyone but Saint Mary's or Gonzaga wins the WCC, that's one less spot.
- If anyone but Murray State wins the OVC, that's one less spot.
- If anyone but California wins the Pac-12, that's one less spot.
- If anyone but Harvard wins the Ivy, that may be another one.
 
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