Thanks AA. That sounds reasonable.
It would probably have been tought for Messingham to jump in head first with nto a lot of time to develop his style.
Also, who knows if CPR was sure what the hire would be at the time.
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Thanks AA. That sounds reasonable.
It would probably have been tought for Messingham to jump in head first with nto a lot of time to develop his style.
Also, who knows if CPR was sure what the hire would be at the time.
The terminology and a lot of the plays will be the same.
But when and how they are called will probably be a bit different. There is also a good chance that Messingham introduces some new concepts into the mix.
If Messingham really had a lot to do with the specail teams playcalls, that makes me think he has a bit more of a gunslinger mentality than Mensa boy.
One of the biggest positives I have heard so far about Mess is that he does know the players on this team. There will be no struggles figuring out who can do what like we would have with an outside hire.
I just hope he's got a plan and our offensive players continue to progress.
I understand the point you are trying to make, but statistics need to be assessed within the context that they were generated.
First, one has to make a realistic assessment of the talent within the program.
PR took over a program on a 10 game losing streak. There were two coaching changes in a two year period. With each staff turnover, recruiting is going to suffer. Thus, we entered the PR tenure with a lack of talent, and the multiple staff changes made it impossible to fix this problem in the short term.
Second, each coaching staff was running a different offense and thus recruiting players that fit their individual system. As a result of three different systems in a span of three years. The current staff has upper classmen that were recruited to fit a different offensive philosophy.
The very lack of coaching stability and consistency and it's impact on recruiting is largely responsible the offense being behind the rest of the conference. It will take five years for PR to fill the system with players that fit his vision for the offense.
Missouri is a great example of how long this process takes. Drinkel was on the verge of being fired around year five or six when things finally started to click.
Futhermore, I would argue that ISU's schedule has been increasingly more difficult each year of PR's tenure. Thus, gradual improvement may be masked by a tougher schedule.
I have to point this out because it is flat out wrong. From the original press release:
That adds up to 8 years of OC experience. Carry on.
My guess is that Rhoads did test the market. We may never know whether he got turned down by others he wanted or whether he turned them down because they wouldn't do what he wanted.
Hiring Messingham is a vote of confidence in our coaching staff. However, it isn't necessarily a draw for other position coaches, particularly on offense, because the promotable position is now filled.
I think this comes down to Rhoads hiring a coach who will do what he wants. He may be asserting a little more control and influence on offense with this move. And he may be trying to tie the QB and WR coaching more closely together.
While I have been a proponent of using tall receivers, I am an even bigger proponent of receivers who will fight for catches and be willing to take hits. Until we can get extended protection for our QBs, we aren't going to have many opportunities to hit the lanky guys in stride for long gains. Rather, we are going to have to throw to guys who can run quick patterns, make good moves, and gain yards after the catch. In other words, guys more like Lenz, Gray, West, and Horne.
Hiring Messingham is a vote of confidence in our coaching staff. However, it isn't necessarily a draw for other position coaches, particularly on offense, because the promotable position is now filled.
I think this comes down to Rhoads hiring a coach who will do what he wants. He may be asserting a little more control and influence on offense with this move. And he may be trying to tie the QB and WR coaching more closely together.
While I have been a proponent of using tall receivers, I am an even bigger proponent of receivers who will fight for catches and be willing to take hits. Until we can get extended protection for our QBs, we aren't going to have many opportunities to hit the lanky guys in stride for long gains. Rather, we are going to have to throw to guys who can run quick patterns, make good moves, and gain yards after the catch. In other words, guys more like Lenz, Gray, West, and Horne.
plus he was head coach at upper iowa and reciever coach at southern miss ... he was hired at miss state, came to us before startin
Love the hire. :yes:
He has had an immediate and positive impact on every position he has coached while here. Consistency at QB has been IMHO the main thing that is holding us back.
Maintains continuity of the coaching staff and CPR already know how he will interact with the other coaches on the team.
He is from Iowa. He understands the culture. The countdown clock for when he leaves for a HC job should be a little longer then someone without Iowa ties.
Go Cyclones!
He has had an immediate and positive impact on every position he has coached while here. Consistency at QB has been IMHO the main thing that is holding us back.
Maintains continuity of the coaching staff and CPR already know how he will interact with the other coaches on the team.
He is from Iowa. He understands the culture. The countdown clock for when he leaves for a HC job should be a little longer then someone without Iowa ties.
Go Cyclones!
The popular hire isnt always the best hire. His special teams have preformed outstanding the last few years.
I missed the first stint at Missouri State, my bad...
2002 4-7 record, 23 ppg... Can't fund the numbers for 2001.
I wouldn't really count JC NAIA as OC experience
I'm a bit concerned about the recruiting. Herman had good connections in Texas. Does anyone know where Messingham's recruiting pipelines are?
The main reason I was hoping for an outside hire was not because it would be "sexy".
It was because I think ISU NEEDS some new ideas and energy on offense. CPR stated that he wanted to hire an OC that would adapt to ISU and not the other way around, but we need someone with some new ideas to shake up the offense and improve the production.
I hope Messingham has some of those ideas. The problem is, none of us saw what he did at the tiny schools he coached at. If we had hired an outside OC or position coach, we could see some of what he had implemented.
What we know about Messingham is that he is a good position coach and that he has a good relationship with CPR. Hopefully he will show us why CPR has faith in him and soon.
It was because I think ISU NEEDS some new ideas and energy on offense. CPR stated that he wanted to hire an OC that would adapt to ISU and not the other way around, but we need someone with some new ideas to shake up the offense and improve the production.
I hope Messingham has some of those ideas. The problem is, none of us saw what he did at the tiny schools he coached at. If we had hired an outside OC or position coach, we could see some of what he had implemented.
What we know about Messingham is that he is a good position coach and that he has a good relationship with CPR. Hopefully he will show us why CPR has faith in him and soon.
Good priority order... For, statistically speaking, the team which scores more points generally wins the game.
I believe I read that he recruits Iowa and the eastern coast of Florida which seems to match his list on Rivals.
I am hoping the new WR coach is a Texas guy.
I wasn't real excited either when I first read about Messingham getting the OC job. But he does look like the right guy and I trust Rhoads to know what he's doing.
So Mess played at UNI. So does that mean he grew up in Iowa? I like the idea of another Iowan at the helm to be "so proud" of being part of this team. What town / high school is he from?
So Mess played at UNI. So does that mean he grew up in Iowa? I like the idea of another Iowan at the helm to be "so proud" of being part of this team. What town / high school is he from?
How is our offense going to be any better with Messingham than it was with Herman if we just promote from within?
Herman brought the offense here, but just had some issues with play calling. Messingham has never been an offensive coordinator and might stuggle with play calling as well