Iowa Basketball

[mikem]

Your act is worn out.

Make unfounded/unprovable/too early proclamation about Iowa "talent", get ridiculed, fire back with, "so I guess you know more about basketball than Mad Fran".

Rinse, Repeat.

I would not let ol' pakistanz.....er lug, get to you.

He doesn't seem to mention all of the rampant speculation before the bb season that it was time to get maad again, and the hawks would be tourney bound.

Of course, when these idiot fans go off fantasizing about tourney bids, and national championships, they aren't delusional at all....


You have to love the lack of candor, and inability to think independently...It's almost like, OK EXACTLY like, the think tank in the cave....

 

[mikem]

It was ugly, Iowa couldn't have hit water if they fell out of a boat and it seemed like Creighton shot 100% but I guess it was only 55%. :wideeyed:

Honestly Iowa didn't really play that bad, they only had 8 turnovers, they just couldn't make any shots. It wasn't the Creighton D either as Iowa had open looks and missed layups. The difference was Iowa made 21 of 58 shots, Creighton made 32 of 58. Creighton made 2 more three's and 9 more two's for a difference of 24 points in a 23 point loss.

Iowa won't shoot that bad all year and Creighton won't shoot that good either, it was just a bad combination yesterday that Iowa was cold and Creighton was hot.

Creighton is good and will win the Valley with breathing room this year, they do have a perfect combination of an inside/outside game this year.

If you are standing by the idea that iowa did not play bad, then you should prepare yourself for a long season.

The fact that you were out athleted by a MVC school should scare the hell out of you. The fact that you had no answer for echinique, and of course dougy, should scare the hell out of you. The fact that iowa was more than a step slow defensively, should scare the hell out of you.

As far as creighton in the MVC, well chewy has had the best team in that conference before, and led them to a 5th place finish. UNI Indiana State, and Wichita State will have lots to say about who wins that league.

It was easy to play against the hawks, they couldn't keep up with them to guard the jays. When he gets back in his comfort zone of the low scoring defensive wrestling match struggles where he tries to "manage" the game from the sideline, you will see that team lose games. The simple fact is that Marshall and Jake both coach that style better than the ogre.

 

[mikem]

So because they shot like that last year means it is a norm and they will shoot the same this year?

A true freshman has led Iowa in scoring 3 of the first 4 games so they weren't around last year to contribute to those numbers. I think this team will get better and will show they will improve on last years numbers.

The problem that you seem to be ignoring is that the problems that created this mismatch aren't going to be corrected this year.

You are still undertalented, and you are still under athletic. Those are the things that led to that beatdown by creighton (I still can not believe that you took that big of a curb stomp from a chewy coached team). Your defensive effort became poor when the team got down, but they had no answer for cu's guards. They got any shot they wanted.

THAT is why sitting here trying to blame it on "hot shooting" is silly.

Of course, when the reality is that you aren't good, it is much easier to look for excuses....

 

[hawkeyescott]

If you are standing by the idea that iowa did not play bad, then you should prepare yourself for a long season.

The fact that you were out athleted by a MVC school should scare the hell out of you. The fact that you had no answer for echinique, and of course dougy, should scare the hell out of you. The fact that iowa was more than a step slow defensively, should scare the hell out of you.

As far as creighton in the MVC, well chewy has had the best team in that conference before, and led them to a 5th place finish. UNI Indiana State, and Wichita State will have lots to say about who wins that league.

It was easy to play against the hawks, they couldn't keep up with them to guard the jays. When he gets back in his comfort zone of the low scoring defensive wrestling match struggles where he tries to "manage" the game from the sideline, you will see that team lose games. The simple fact is that Marshall and Jake both coach that style better than the ogre.

What is funny about this is you could substitute Drake for Creighton and Cyclones for Hawks.

 

[hawkeyescott]

I'm surprised to see that they only shot 55%. It seemed like they never missed.

Basically, I think we can say that both teams can play better. Creighton probably played about a normal game for them. Obviously, a bad game for Iowa. I'd say that the total domination was an outlier, but Creighton would win 8 out of 10 right now.

Yeah I was there and was shocked they "only" shot 55% as well. It seemed like everything they threw up went in, what really surprised me was they "only" had 9 three's, I would have sworn they had more than that in the 1st half alone.

 

[mikem]

What is funny about this is you could substitute Drake for Creighton and Cyclones for Hawks.

Wtf are talking about? Drake outplayed and out hustled Iowa State that night, but they did not out talent and out athlete Iowa State. That is why there is still realistic hope that this season will be ok.

Because if you really believe this, then never mind, I understand now why you saw things the way you did. You are ******* clueless!

It is pointless discussing this any further with you because you obviously don't understand basketball.

 

[Clones85']

After watching that game this weekend how can anyone honestly say that Iowa would win more games in IC against Creighton than they'd lose? Creighton is way better than Iowa. They have better low post players and they have better guards. Their defense alone has them beat Iowa.

No offense, but talking about winning games if it were played at home is the talk of losers. You didn't play at home. You played on a neutral court in which your fans outnumbered theirs 75-25 and you still got absolutely whipped in every phase of the game.

 

[Clones85']

Also, Creighton is better than UNI this year. UNI won't be much of an issue in that conference.

Iowa has had so little athletic talent in the past 5 years that their fans actually think Aaron White is athletic. Aaron White!! Watch the kid run up and down the court, his feet barely leave the ground when running. He slides them.

 

[SplitIdentity]

Also, Creighton is better than UNI this year. UNI won't be much of an issue in that conference.

Iowa has had so little athletic talent in the past 5 years that their fans actually think Aaron White is athletic. Aaron White!! Watch the kid run up and down the court, his feet barely leave the ground when running. He slides them.

You really are stuck on Aaron White, aren't you? He'll be just fine. A solid player who adds good minutes. No, he's not the most athletic guy in the world, but he at least tries a lot harder than some of his team mates, which is sad.

 

[Cydkar]

Now why does that not suprise me? I'm sure you think you know the game of basketball and evaluating talent better than Fran McCaffery.

White at the 5 is a complete joke. I think he'll be a good player, by the way.

 

[hawkeyescott]

Wtf are talking about? Drake outplayed and out hustled Iowa State that night, but they did not out talent and out athlete Iowa State. That is why there is still realistic hope that this season will be ok.

Because if you really believe this, then never mind, I understand now why you saw things the way you did. You are ******* clueless!

It is pointless discussing this any further with you because you obviously don't understand basketball.

Now you can substitute Creighton for Drake and Iowa for Iowa State.

As much as you don't want to believe this because of your hatred for Iowa, Creighton doesn't have better talent or athletes in players 1 through 13. They might have a couple but not overall.

 

[Rural]

Now you can substitute Creighton for Drake and Iowa for Iowa State.

As much as you don't want to believe this because of your hatred for Iowa, Creighton doesn't have better talent or athletes in players 1 through 13. They might have a couple but not overall.

So that says Tomato Face Fran was completely schooled by McDoormat. That's way worse then admitting to a lack of talent.

 

[hawkeyescott]

So that says Tomato Face Fran was completely schooled by McDoormat. That's way worse then admitting to a lack of talent.

What is so hard to understand about the fact that Iowa made 21 of 58 shots, Creighton made 32 of 58. That right there is the difference in the game. Iowa lost by 23 and this is a 24 point difference. As Creighton made 2 more three's = 6 points and 9 more two's = 18 points.

If Creighton misses just 5 more shots and Iowa makes 5 more layups they missed this is a totally different game.

Again, not many if any teams will win shooting 35% while their opponent shoots 55%.

 

[hawkeyescott]

So that says Tomato Face Fran was completely schooled by McDoormat. That's way worse then admitting to a lack of talent.

If Fran was schooled by McDermott it still isn't as bad as FH being schooled by Phelps.

 

[Clones85']

As much as you don't want to believe this because of your hatred for Iowa, Creighton doesn't have better talent or athletes in players 1 through 13. They might have a couple but not overall.

Say what??? :twitcy::twitcy:

McDermott is a better talent than Basabe. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He also made the US team while Basabe got cut.

I'm a big Gatens fan but he is no more talented than Grant Gibbs. Gibbs does everything on the court and was a higer rated prospect coming out of HS. Not saying Gibbs is better, just that there isn't a difference there

Creighton's center is more talented than any of Iowa's big men, by a lot

Creighton's PG is more talented than Cartwright. Much quicker, WAY better defender, and shoots the 3 ball better. Cartwright is still only a 25% shooter.

I'm looking at it and I don't see how Iowa is more talented at all.

 

[hawkeyescott]

Say what??? :twitcy::twitcy:

McDermott is a better talent than Basabe. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. He also made the US team while Basabe got cut.

I'm a big Gatens fan but he is no more talented than Grant Gibbs. Gibbs does everything on the court and was a higer rated prospect coming out of HS. Not saying Gibbs is better, just that there isn't a difference there

Creighton's center is more talented than any of Iowa's big men, by a lot

Creighton's PG is more talented than Cartwright. Much quicker, WAY better defender, and shoots the 3 ball better. Cartwright is still only a 25% shooter.

I'm looking at it and I don't see how Iowa is more talented at all.

When I said a couple were better I agree McDermott was the best one on the court and Creighton's center is better than anyone Iowa has. You don't like Cartwright just like White for whatever reasons but for the sake of it I will give you Creighton's PG is better. Now that we picked these 3 players lets finish with players 4 through 13 and tell me if Creighton has better overall talent.

 

[Clones85']

When I said a couple were better I agree McDermott was the best one on the court and Creighton's center is better than anyone Iowa has. You don't like Cartwright just like White for whatever reasons but for the sake of it I will give you Creighton's PG is better. Now that we picked these 3 players lets finish with players 4 through 13 and tell me if Creighton has better overall talent.

Gibbs is better than Eric May.

Other than that, who knows? I don't and neither do you. Did you really think that McCabe, Olaseni, Archie, or White looked any better than thier bench players? Really? Because they definitely aren't any better

 

[Clones21]

I'm not sure why everyone is arguing. CU is a much much better team than Iowa. Has much more talent too. It's not that hard to understand and CU showed that Sunday.

 

[CycloneYoda]

If Fran was schooled by McDermott it still isn't as bad as FH being schooled by Phelps.

I know you feel it is your sworn duty to defend Iowa at all cost. It is who you are.


Still won't be able to convince me that ISU was schooled by Phelps, for although the game was indeed a big L for ISU, it was actually close. Can't say the same for your guys.

But hey, whatever helps you seep at night.

 

[Rural]

What is so hard to understand about the fact that Iowa made 21 of 58 shots, Creighton made 32 of 58. That right there is the difference in the game. Iowa lost by 23 and this is a 24 point difference. As Creighton made 2 more three's = 6 points and 9 more two's = 18 points.

If Creighton misses just 5 more shots and Iowa makes 5 more layups they missed this is a totally different game.

Again, not many if any teams will win shooting 35% while their opponent shoots 55%.

Ok, I give.
The team with the better talent got routed. Happens all the time.