*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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I've talked to countless schools and league commissioners and haven't found a single one that really wants to go to a 16-team conference. They only look at it in the prism of, "Well, if it has to happen, then we might as well join or get left behind." But no one really wants to be in such a mess.

There's an easy fix for this. If the schools really feel that way, they can vote (via the NCAA) to limit FBS conferences to 12 football teams.
 
This is what really bothers me about this whole thing. If a conference is happy at 12 members and wants to stay at 12,why are you even interested in adding more?

It's all a compaign of misinformation for legal reasons. Just like the SEC said they weren't interested in expanding when everyone knew that TAMU and them were talking secrectly since July which SEC admitted. Larry Scott saying that the Pac-12 was not interested in expainding meanwhile OU's BOR are voting to pursue options which they wouldn't do if they didn't get assurances from the Pac-12. These guys make Congress look like a PAT meeting.
 
You know Larry Scott is lying when his lips are moving. He is without a doubt the most ambitious conference commissioner. He has a big vision for the Pac 10 and its network deals. That vision doesn't just include the current 12 members.
 
Here I thought it was hard to book a fball conference schedule ten years in advance. Slive and Scott and Delaney makes that statement look like horsepuck. They can rework a schedule in a month.

Has anyone noticed Beebe appears to have a gag order put on himself?
 
It is Tuesday. Has Tam went to the bustop to wait today?

Speaking of bustops, Waco and College Station are sort of off the beaten path. Moving Big 12 schools to Pac 12 are not totally conducive to good tailgating.

If UT went Pac 12, Bevo would have to be flown in a plane if they wanted to exhibit the bull. Bevo might not like all the plane trips.

If was CU, I would ask OU for $7M (exit fee from 2010) for my vote.
 
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Suppose OK wanted to blow up the Big 12 this year instead of last by going Pac 12 on us after the IOK Network did not get off the ground. Why would you not blow up the whole league to avoid paying exit fees? I think the fingers are pointing mostly at Mr Search Committee Dave Boren. I think we want to win some of these games on the field this year as buttkicker shots. If not fball, let's tromp these schools in bball.

I'm sure there are people that will line up to flame me on this, but if we ever have opportunities to run up scores in fb, bb or any other sport against these conference partners, I hope we do.
 
I'm sure there are people that will line up to flame me on this, but if we ever have opportunities to run up scores in fb, bb or any other sport against these conference partners, I hope we do.

Yep, run them all out of the building. Basketball is obviously the most viable option for this for 2 reasons:

1) CPR is not that kind of coach
2) Freddy and the boys are going to put up some major points this season, I say we leave the B12 in the same way as we left the final Big 8 basketball tounament.
 
I'm sure there are people that will line up to flame me on this, but if we ever have opportunities to run up scores in fb, bb or any other sport against these conference partners, I hope we do.

No flame.

Besides, great teams play for a season, not for a single game.
 
at time I wish we would of just jumped to the Big East last year and not be dealing with this but eventually they'd figure out that 16/24 teams is a train wreck and someone would gut it and now we'd be on the outside looking in a lesser conference.
 
Katz: If this gigantic shakeup occurs, it's likely not going to be for 2012. The timetable is getting too late for scheduling to make this happen for next fall. I hope -- and I predict -- this turns out more like last summer. Texas A&M moves to the SEC. Someone replaces the Aggies in the Big 12. And then we exhale. I've talked to countless schools and league commissioners and haven't found a single one that really wants to go to a 16-team conference. They only look at it in the prism of, "Well, if it has to happen, then we might as well join or get left behind." But no one really wants to be in such a mess.


Katz makes this sound like a catch 22 but I am not sure the actions of the commissioners is all that innocent. Slive blows smoke at SEC media days to avoid lawsuit, but has been talking to TAM for quite some time in a back room. PAC 12 Commissioner has conference schools expressing a desire to stay at 12. Larry Scott turns deaf ear toward them and goes after OU.


This is where it would be nice for the NCAA to look at what is going on, look at how it will ruin the sport, and put an end to it. If they came out and said conferences can not expand past 12 members, from this point forward, the problem would be solved, and college athletics would be better long term.
 
This is where it would be nice for the NCAA to look at what is going on, look at how it will ruin the sport, and put an end to it. If they came out and said conferences can not expand past 12 members, from this point forward, the problem would be solved, and college athletics would be better long term.

Or the top 64 teams could the NCAA to screw off. I do like your suggestion though.
 
The other Pac 12 schools surely don't want to add OU and OSU, or XYZ for that matter, it diminishes any chance they have of ever reaching the top of the mountain. They had it better as a 10 team league. Money Money Money, what a shame.
 
This is where it would be nice for the NCAA to look at what is going on, look at how it will ruin the sport, and put an end to it. If they came out and said conferences can not expand past 12 members, from this point forward, the problem would be solved, and college athletics would be better long term.

Exactly. I'm amazed at how little people are talking about how untenable 16 team conferences would be. You would hardly ever see the teams in the other division for football scheduling purposes.
 
Or the top 64 teams could the NCAA to screw off. I do like your suggestion though.

And then the government can step in and take away their tax-exempt status. About 5 teams in the country could handle that kind of hit, and none of them would want to do it.

I think the NCAA should start "investigating" A&M and OU very deeply...start putting the heat on and let it be known that these ******* matches aren't allowed.
 
And then the government can step in and take away their tax-exempt status. About 5 teams in the country could handle that kind of hit, and none of them would want to do it.

I think the NCAA should start "investigating" A&M and OU very deeply...start putting the heat on and let it be known that these ******* matches aren't allowed.

Paging Senators Harkin and Grassley, please pick up the nearest white courtesy phone. Paging Senators Harkin and Grassley, please pick up the nearest white courtesy phone.............
 
And then the government can step in and take away their tax-exempt status. About 5 teams in the country could handle that kind of hit, and none of them would want to do it.

I think the NCAA should start "investigating" A&M and OU very deeply...start putting the heat on and let it be known that these ******* matches aren't allowed.


Not to mention what their games could be doing to our recruiting....
 
Exactly. I'm amazed at how little people are talking about how untenable 16 team conferences would be. You would hardly ever see the teams in the other division for football scheduling purposes.


On top of that if the Big 12 dissolves and any other conference too for that matter, some schools could get forced to join a conference by necessity and not by choice. I seriously doubt if they will be happy campers in that instance. That should only add to the instability. Would not be surprised to see the Big Schools like Texas and Ohio State start moving to have the Wake Forests of the world kicked to the curb.
 
Nice Berry Tramel, nice. Now he is placing part of the blame for the Big 12's collapse on Arkansas leaving the SWC for the SEC back in 1990-91.

I blame Big Eight leaders for letting the Hogs get away.

What? Why should expansion have been on the Big 8's radar in 1990? And Berry, do you really think Nebraska and others' departure would've been different if Arkansas was part of the Big 12?

Ahhh! Why do I keep reading his stuff? I guess because nobody else out there knows what's going on, so I fall for it every time.

Big 12: Why Middle America might be without a league | Berry Tramel's Blog
 
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