*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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To the quote about the Big 12 dissolving. If this post was true this would be awesome for Iowa State. We get the money. We are in a BCS conference. The schools left we are just as big as and we still get to recruit Texas. Why would ISU be ****** about a couple of million?

Assuming Texas is still present for the long term. ISU would absolutely dissolve the conference and go on board with this deal if it were true. We need huge penalties not to leave because we are not.
 
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here I had this emailed to me by a donor, take it from what you will



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Folks, slow down and enjoy the ride. Patience is a virtue. There may be a few bumps in the road, but I think that by Friday morning we will all know where the road is going. This is a cough*prediction*cough

1. It looks like there is a strong chance that the Big 12 conference will no longer exist by Friday.

2. There is a strong chance that everyone will be a free agent late this week.

3. The Weak sisters of the poor want to have guarantees in place that the movement of teams will cease and that there will be stability in the future. To this end there will be a proposal on Thursday that the league disband and be reformed in the image of Texass University, TLN, and that there be severe penalties, greater than the present liquidated damage clause, for teams leaving the conference. To that end, the remaining members would rather cut Texas A&M loose and have future stability than the $12 to $18 million in liquidated damages. You see if Texas A&M does not agree the conference does not dissolve and Texas A&M is still free to leave by paying the money, just as Texas University, Oklahoma and OSU are free to leave. Survival can lead to strange things happening and we are talking life and death to Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and Missouri. The proposed three to six year TV revenue penalty to any school signing the new charter, would be crippling to any major school seeking to move to another conference and that clause cannot be placed on Texas A&M retroactively. To get the clause they must give Texas A&M freedom.

4. The majority is not thrilled with Beebe.

My prediction is that the Big 12 does not exist after Thursday, that a new conference is formed and that there are six or seven remaining members with SMU, TCU, Houston and BYU being offered membership in the new Big whatever. Texass University gets their new conference, minus Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M and the chance to play in the BCS Championship game every year, due to a weak schedule. ala Boise State. Texas A&M walks to the SEC without paying anyone and without the threat of legal action, which would be gone when the Big 12 dissolves. Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri would rather have security than money from Texas A&M and they have to cut A&M loose to get security. There will be at least five votes for dissolution and that is all that are needed. The conference is dissolved if it only has five members and it appears that may well happen. Baylor by refusing to sign the wavier has cost every remaining member of the conference $2 million dollars and security; therefore, no one is happy with Baylor. Last week the conference had a chance to have seven members, plus any new ones that would come and security.

This sounds like OU doing their best Jerry Maguire impression - and the only team coming with them would be OK State.

Texas doesn't have to move because OU just did their dirty work for them - no OU and no A&M and they keep the LHN?!? MAYBE this encourages Missouri to pursue the SEC, Big 10 or whatever conference, but Tech, and Baylor have the wagons hitched to Texas and if your OU scenario pans out and their futures as well as the futures of ISU, Kansas and Kansas State are brighter in the "New Conference."
 
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That whole post of yours with that donor email makes no sense Boomer. We wouldnt need to disband the conference to get exit fees from OU\OSU\TAMU. We wouldnt need to disband the conference to then change the penalties for any teams going forward. We certainly aren't going to just invite a bunch of texas teams (the screams OU fan justifying their abandonment of the rest of the conference to me), there's no money in it. If its just ISU\KSU\KU\MU and a bunch of texas teams now dividing the pot and making it harder for us to recruit in texas, we might as well bail out and go to the big east.

Oh, and the big 12 dissolving wouldnt absolve anyone of any legal action. The SEC's interference could be pointed to as the big factor that broke up the big 12 by Baylor\ISU\Kansas when\if they decide to sue.
 
To the quote about the Big 12 dissolving. If this post was true this would be awesome for Iowa State. We get the money. We are in a BCS conference. The schools left we are just as big as and we still get to recruit Texas. Why would ISU be ****** about a couple of million?

There's no money if the conference dissolves.
 
Why would you vote for dissolution and give up all of that money? Makes no sense. You could do all of those things that article says AND still gain the exit fee $.

and why dissolve? There are TV contracts in place with the Big XII the networks won't back out of, the remaining schools would keep the Big XII and pull in other schools...no need to form a new conference with no contracts in place...makes zero sense?
 
here I had this emailed to me by a donor, take it from what you will



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My prediction is that the Big 12 does not exist after Thursday, that a new conference is formed and that there are six or seven remaining members with SMU, TCU, Houston and BYU being offered membership in the new Big whatever. Texass University gets their new conference, minus Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M and the chance to play in the BCS Championship game every year, due to a weak schedule. ala Boise State. Texas A&M walks to the SEC without paying anyone and without the threat of legal action, which would be gone when the Big 12 dissolves. Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri would rather have security than money from Texas A&M and they have to cut A&M loose to get security. There will be at least five votes for dissolution and that is all that are needed. The conference is dissolved if it only has five members and it appears that may well happen. Baylor by refusing to sign the wavier has cost every remaining member of the conference $2 million dollars and security; therefore, no one is happy with Baylor. Last week the conference had a chance to have seven members, plus any new ones that would come and security.

The statement contradicts itself. If ISU/KSU/KU/MU value security over exit fees, then they wouldn't really care if what Baylor did cost a one-time chump change exit fee.

If OU/OSU/TAMU are gone, the Big 12 should merge with the Big East FB schools. Ask ND to join in. If they don't, get BYU and lock in 16. Let the Big Ten and SEC scramble for additional members.
 
I find the OU/Nebraska/aTm fanbases in all of this to be overly pathetic. Comments like, "the weak sisters of the poor" coming from supposed donors when in reference to universities that can blow Oklahoma out of the water in every aspect besides football is just plain childish and idiotic.

When has the "Gotta Get Mine" philosophy trickled from the minds of current students and teenagers to the minds of people running these damn universities? It's incredible really. These schools are willing to toss out 100 years of tradition (the only thing that makes college football what it is) because their idiot fanbases want something new and shiny? It's unreal.

When I think of the Pacific Ocean, I of course think of Oklahoma.
 
There are just too many things that don't add up in this scenario.

Number 1 on my list is that I don't think the Pac would want to take just the Oklahoma schools. I don't think OU is going to be a big enough fish to make up for concerns about OSU academically. I think there will also be grumblings against it from a scheduling perspective and reduced exposure in Cali for some schools.

From an OU/OSU perspective, you are 2 timezones removed from most of the conference. You are a geographical castaway for travel purposes. You don't seem to have a financial advantage compared to saving the Big 12.

As others have pointed out, not sure they have the votes to dissolve the conference.

Finally, the invitation schools just don't make sense. If the Okie schools leave, why would you invite 3 smaller Texas schools when we already own the Texas market? SMU brings nothing. Houston brings just a slight bit more than nothing. Is TCU really going to bail on the Big East just a single year after accepting the conference invite? That would seem really scummy. And to date, pretty much everything reported said BYU is in if OU commits. In this scenario, OU is out so it would seem BYU would no longer be in place.

This whole angle just seems like one big steaming pile of crap.
 
The most important thing about this whole thread is how many credits is the OP racking up for this thread? 657 pages!? Dude should be a billionaire.
 
here I had this emailed to me by a donor, take it from what you will



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Folks, slow down and enjoy the ride. Patience is a virtue. There may be a few bumps in the road, but I think that by Friday morning we will all know where the road is going. This is a cough*prediction*cough

1. It looks like there is a strong chance that the Big 12 conference will no longer exist by Friday.

2. There is a strong chance that everyone will be a free agent late this week.

3. The Weak sisters of the poor want to have guarantees in place that the movement of teams will cease and that there will be stability in the future. To this end there will be a proposal on Thursday that the league disband and be reformed in the image of Texass University, TLN, and that there be severe penalties, greater than the present liquidated damage clause, for teams leaving the conference. To that end, the remaining members would rather cut Texas A&M loose and have future stability than the $12 to $18 million in liquidated damages. You see if Texas A&M does not agree the conference does not dissolve and Texas A&M is still free to leave by paying the money, just as Texas University, Oklahoma and OSU are free to leave. Survival can lead to strange things happening and we are talking life and death to Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and Missouri. The proposed three to six year TV revenue penalty to any school signing the new charter, would be crippling to any major school seeking to move to another conference and that clause cannot be placed on Texas A&M retroactively. To get the clause they must give Texas A&M freedom.

4. The majority is not thrilled with Beebe.

My prediction is that the Big 12 does not exist after Thursday, that a new conference is formed and that there are six or seven remaining members with SMU, TCU, Houston and BYU being offered membership in the new Big whatever. Texass University gets their new conference, minus Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M and the chance to play in the BCS Championship game every year, due to a weak schedule. ala Boise State. Texas A&M walks to the SEC without paying anyone and without the threat of legal action, which would be gone when the Big 12 dissolves. Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri would rather have security than money from Texas A&M and they have to cut A&M loose to get security. There will be at least five votes for dissolution and that is all that are needed. The conference is dissolved if it only has five members and it appears that may well happen. Baylor by refusing to sign the wavier has cost every remaining member of the conference $2 million dollars and security; therefore, no one is happy with Baylor. Last week the conference had a chance to have seven members, plus any new ones that would come and security.

Boomer I've always appreciated your contribution to this site, and time will tell if your sources are correct in how this plays out. The problem I have with what you have presented is that you seem to gloss over the predicament that some of Big Xii schools are facing if this conference disbands.

As to your theory about the Big XII disbanding and a new conference being established. I find several aspects of that plan as very implausible. Why would the remaining schools give the others a free out? Why would they give up their status as a BCS conference? Why would any Big XII school agree to that plan without knowing the impact on TV revenue?

It may sound good on paper, but I find it hard to believe that enough of the remaining Big XII schools would risk the unknown of a potentially significant financial impact for the sake of stability.

If OU and OSU want out I think it is far more plausible they will have to pay their way out and the Big XII may very well still survive under its current name with new members. After OU, OSU and A&M pay their penalty we can then make all the changes that you suggest would be part of a new conference. This whole plan sounds more like an OU fantasy from where I sit.

Good luck trying to get out for free. Personally I would love to see OU and OSU stay, and I still hope that is the outcome.
 
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WVU AD Oliver Luck has already tossed around the idea of a Big 12 - Big East merger. Would make perfect sense if TAMU/OU/OSU left. Add TCU to the "West" division and you have two divisions of eight. Could also do a pod system:

Texas
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech

Mizzou
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

Cincinnati
Louisville
West Virginia
South Florida

Pittsburgh
Connecticut
Rutgers
Syracuse

How about a conference that shares Tiers 1 and 2 equally and allows Tier 3 to do whatever. UT could keep LHN and other groups of schools (or all 15 of them) could band together for their own network(s) also.
 
I find the OU/Nebraska/aTm fanbases in all of this to be overly pathetic. Comments like, "the weak sisters of the poor" coming from supposed donors when in reference to universities that can blow Oklahoma out of the water in every aspect besides football is just plain childish and idiotic.

When has the "Gotta Get Mine" philosophy trickled from the minds of current students and teenagers to the minds of people running these damn universities? It's incredible really. These schools are willing to toss out 100 years of tradition (the only thing that makes college football what it is) because their idiot fanbases want something new and shiny? It's unreal.

When I think of the Pacific Ocean, I of course think of Oklahoma.
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It's because we're living in a Playstation world. If I can play Oklahoma vs. USC on
my playstation why can't they play in the real world too. This current situation is all about location,population and television,not about geography,tradition or even football for that matter.
 
Boomer I've always appreciated your contribution to this site, and time will tell if your sources are correct in how this plays out. The problem I have with what you have presented is that you seem to gloss over the predicament that some of Big Xii schools are facing if this conference disbands.

As to your theory about the Big XII disbanding and a new conference being established. I find several aspects of that plan as very implausible. Why would the remaining schools give the others a free out? Why would they give up their status as a BCS conference? Why would any Big XII school agree to that plan without knowing the impact on TV revenue?

It may sound good on paper, but I find it hard to believe that enough of the remaining Big XII schools would risk the unknown of a potentially significant financial impact for the sake of stability.

If OU and OSU want out I think it is far more plausible they will have to pay their way out and the Big XII may very well still survive under its current name with new members. After OU, OSU and A&M pay there penalty we can then make all the changes that you suggest would be part of a new conference. This whole plan sounds more like an OU fantasy from where I sit.

Good luck trying to get out for free. Personally I would love to see OU and OSU stay, and still hope that is the outcome.

As soon as I read 'Texas University' I knew it was just another case of Boomer posting whatever random crap he saw on a rivals board somewhere.
 
WVU AD Oliver Luck has already tossed around the idea of a Big 12 - Big East merger. Would make perfect sense if TAMU/OU/OSU left. Add TCU to the "West" division and you have two divisions of eight. Could also do a pod system:

Texas
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech

Mizzou
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

Cincinnati
Louisville
West Virginia
South Florida

Pittsburgh
Connecticut
Rutgers
Syracuse
This gets my vote
 
I still don't see why the Pac 12 teams like Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah would add Oklahoma schools. I think the Pac 12 is using Oklahoma in trying to get Texas the one they actually want. Oklahoma doesn't add much outside of being a minor league football team. The schools, the state, the population are all pretty unappetizing.
 
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