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jbhtexas said:
A one time $3 million payout rather pales in comparison to possibly ending up in a non-AQ conference...
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I don't know. If we invested properly, that $3 million would last forever.

Don't ask for details. I can't push reality much farther than that.

I am enjoying Boomer's attempts to redirect blame to Baylor today. Always blame the victim that defends themselves, because it takes a lot of nerve to stand up for yourself instead of quietly being run over.

What was Baylor thinking?
 
Boomer said:
If what Im hearing is accurate you all should be upset with Baylor for costing a 3-5 million dollar payout from A&M out the door
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LOL! You're an idiot. OU will be ending this conference by leaving, if what you are saying is true, and its Baylor's fault?

No, its not. This is all on OU's shoulder, if true.
 
Boomer said:
If what Im hearing is accurate you all should be upset with Baylor for costing a 3-5 million dollar payout from A&M out the door
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Well then what you are hearing is not accurate. $3mil per team would have been on the highest end of the league penalty, and more than 2x what Nebby had to pay.
 
Remember, its OU's president that said they were exploring leaving the Big 12 the same day Dan Beebe sent a letter to the SEC saying the Big 12 wouldn't sue. Everybody agreed to the language in that letter because they had an agreement to stay together. After Boren spoke, all bets were off. Definitely NOT Baylor's fault. So dumb I can't believe I even have to comment on it.
 
He's blaming Baylor, because OU won't be able to leave without going through Ken Starr first.
 
Boomer, i used to like your stuff a lot, but more and more you've just been cheerleading for a PAC move and laying everything at the foot of everyone but OU.

This conference is together until the day OU pushes the button. TAMU, UT, and even NU\CU may have given them reason to want to push that button, but the responsibility for pushing it is all on OU.

A year ago, if instead of jumping on Texas's pac-10 bandwagon, the other south teams had said 'texas, you do what you want, but the rest of us will be creating a conference network with or without you, and we'll just leave you off it if necessary because we cant get your tier3 rights, and also, we're going to be doing equal tv revenue from here on out' we probably still couldve established a solid conference network. Carriage wouldve been much easier with multiple schools as opposed to just one. Texas wouldnt go anywhere on its lonesome (they needed OU\OSU\TTU at least for travel purposes), and we could still have at least 11 of 12 original members (CU really wanted out regardless, more because its always wanted the PAC)
 
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Boomer, i used to like your stuff a lot, but more and more you've just been cheerleading for a PAC move and laying everything at the foot of everyone but OU.

This conference is together until the day OU pushes the button. TAMU, OU, and even NU\CU may have given them reason to want to push that button, but the responsibility for pushing it is all on OU.

A year ago, if instead of jumping on Texas's pac-10 bandwagon, the other south teams had said 'texas, you do what you want, but the rest of us will be creating a conference network with or without you, and we'll just leave you off it if necessary, and also, we're going to be doing equal tv revenue from here on out' we probably still couldve established a solid conference network. Carriage wouldve been much easier with multiple schools as opposed to just one. Texas wouldnt go anywhere on its lonesome (they needed OU\OSU\TTU at least for travel purposes), and we could still have at least 11 of 12 original members (CU really wanted out regardless, more because its always wanted the PAC)
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Great post.
 
here I had this emailed to me by a donor, take it from what you will



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Folks, slow down and enjoy the ride. Patience is a virtue. There may be a few bumps in the road, but I think that by Friday morning we will all know where the road is going. This is a cough*prediction*cough

1. It looks like there is a strong chance that the Big 12 conference will no longer exist by Friday.

2. There is a strong chance that everyone will be a free agent late this week.

3. The Weak sisters of the poor want to have guarantees in place that the movement of teams will cease and that there will be stability in the future. To this end there will be a proposal on Thursday that the league disband and be reformed in the image of Texass University, TLN, and that there be severe penalties, greater than the present liquidated damage clause, for teams leaving the conference. To that end, the remaining members would rather cut Texas A&M loose and have future stability than the $12 to $18 million in liquidated damages. You see if Texas A&M does not agree the conference does not dissolve and Texas A&M is still free to leave by paying the money, just as Texas University, Oklahoma and OSU are free to leave. Survival can lead to strange things happening and we are talking life and death to Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and Missouri. The proposed three to six year TV revenue penalty to any school signing the new charter, would be crippling to any major school seeking to move to another conference and that clause cannot be placed on Texas A&M retroactively. To get the clause they must give Texas A&M freedom.

4. The majority is not thrilled with Beebe.

My prediction is that the Big 12 does not exist after Thursday, that a new conference is formed and that there are six or seven remaining members with SMU, TCU, Houston and BYU being offered membership in the new Big whatever. Texass University gets their new conference, minus Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M and the chance to play in the BCS Championship game every year, due to a weak schedule. ala Boise State. Texas A&M walks to the SEC without paying anyone and without the threat of legal action, which would be gone when the Big 12 dissolves. Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri would rather have security than money from Texas A&M and they have to cut A&M loose to get security. There will be at least five votes for dissolution and that is all that are needed. The conference is dissolved if it only has five members and it appears that may well happen. Baylor by refusing to sign the wavier has cost every remaining member of the conference $2 million dollars and security; therefore, no one is happy with Baylor. Last week the conference had a chance to have seven members, plus any new ones that would come and security.
 
in reaction to boomer, "who gives a ****? We beat UoI."

end thread. You heard it here first.





...wait. would this close the monster??? Keep it going!!!!!
 
Boomer said:
here I had this emailed to me by a donor, take it from what you will



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folks, slow down and enjoy the ride. Patience is a virtue. There may be a few bumps in the road, but I think that by Friday morning we will all know where the road is going. This is a cough*prediction*cough

1. It looks like there is a strong chance that the Big 12 conference will no longer exist by Friday.

2. There is a strong chance that everyone will be a free agent late this week.

3. The Weak sisters of the poor want to have guarantees in place that the movement of teams will cease and that there will be stability in the future. To this end there will be a proposal on Thursday that the league disband and be reformed in the image of Texass University, TLN, and that there be severe penalties, greater than the present liquidated damage clause, for teams leaving the conference. To that end, the remaining members would rather cut Texas A&M loose and have future stability than the $12 to $18 million in liquidated damages. You see if Texas A&M does not agree the conference does not dissolve and Texas A&M is still free to leave by paying the money, just as Texas University, Oklahoma and OSU are free to leave. Survival can lead to strange things happening and we are talking life and death to Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and Missouri. The proposed three to six year TV revenue penalty to any school signing the new charter, would be crippling to any major school seeking to move to another conference and that clause cannot be placed on Texas A&M retroactively. To get the clause they must give Texas A&M freedom.

4. The majority is not thrilled with Beebe.

My prediction is that the Big 12 does not exist after Thursday, that a new conference is formed and that there are six or seven remaining members with SMU, TCU, Houston and BYU being offered membership in the new Big whatever. Texass University gets their new conference, minus Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M and the chance to play in the BCS Championship game every year, due to a weak schedule. ala Boise State. Texas A&M walks to the SEC without paying anyone and without the threat of legal action, which would be gone when the Big 12 dissolves. Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri would rather have security than money from Texas A&M and they have to cut A&M loose to get security. There will be at least five votes for dissolution and that is all that are needed. The conference is dissolved if it only has five members and it appears that may well happen. Baylor by refusing to sign the wavier has cost every remaining member of the conference $2 million dollars and security; therefore, no one is happy with Baylor. Last week the conference had a chance to have seven members, plus any new ones that would come and security.
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Where are these five votes you speak of? ISU, KSU, Baylor, KU and Missouri will not vote to dissolve. Texas likely won't either. That's either 5-6. Good luck. Babies.
 
Boomer said:
here I had this emailed to me by a donor, take it from what you will



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folks, slow down and enjoy the ride. Patience is a virtue. There may be a few bumps in the road, but I think that by Friday morning we will all know where the road is going. This is a cough*prediction*cough

1. It looks like there is a strong chance that the Big 12 conference will no longer exist by Friday.

2. There is a strong chance that everyone will be a free agent late this week.

3. The Weak sisters of the poor want to have guarantees in place that the movement of teams will cease and that there will be stability in the future. To this end there will be a proposal on Thursday that the league disband and be reformed in the image of Texass University, TLN, and that there be severe penalties, greater than the present liquidated damage clause, for teams leaving the conference. To that end, the remaining members would rather cut Texas A&M loose and have future stability than the $12 to $18 million in liquidated damages. You see if Texas A&M does not agree the conference does not dissolve and Texas A&M is still free to leave by paying the money, just as Texas University, Oklahoma and OSU are free to leave. Survival can lead to strange things happening and we are talking life and death to Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and Missouri. The proposed three to six year TV revenue penalty to any school signing the new charter, would be crippling to any major school seeking to move to another conference and that clause cannot be placed on Texas A&M retroactively. To get the clause they must give Texas A&M freedom.

4. The majority is not thrilled with Beebe.

My prediction is that the Big 12 does not exist after Thursday, that a new conference is formed and that there are six or seven remaining members with SMU, TCU, Houston and BYU being offered membership in the new Big whatever. Texass University gets their new conference, minus Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M and the chance to play in the BCS Championship game every year, due to a weak schedule. ala Boise State. Texas A&M walks to the SEC without paying anyone and without the threat of legal action, which would be gone when the Big 12 dissolves. Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri would rather have security than money from Texas A&M and they have to cut A&M loose to get security. There will be at least five votes for dissolution and that is all that are needed. The conference is dissolved if it only has five members and it appears that may well happen. Baylor by refusing to sign the wavier has cost every remaining member of the conference $2 million dollars and security; therefore, no one is happy with Baylor. Last week the conference had a chance to have seven members, plus any new ones that would come and security.
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So which lie do we believe? The statement that Baylor cost each school $3-5 mil each? Or the supposed email where it states $2mil which you then took and turned into $3-5 mil?
 
Boomer said:
here I had this emailed to me by a donor, take it from what you will



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Folks, slow down and enjoy the ride. Patience is a virtue. There may be a few bumps in the road, but I think that by Friday morning we will all know where the road is going. This is a cough*prediction*cough

1. It looks like there is a strong chance that the Big 12 conference will no longer exist by Friday.

2. There is a strong chance that everyone will be a free agent late this week.

3. The Weak sisters of the poor want to have guarantees in place that the movement of teams will cease and that there will be stability in the future. To this end there will be a proposal on Thursday that the league disband and be reformed in the image of Texass University, TLN, and that there be severe penalties, greater than the present liquidated damage clause, for teams leaving the conference. To that end, the remaining members would rather cut Texas A&M loose and have future stability than the $12 to $18 million in liquidated damages. You see if Texas A&M does not agree the conference does not dissolve and Texas A&M is still free to leave by paying the money, just as Texas University, Oklahoma and OSU are free to leave. Survival can lead to strange things happening and we are talking life and death to Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas and Missouri. The proposed three to six year TV revenue penalty to any school signing the new charter, would be crippling to any major school seeking to move to another conference and that clause cannot be placed on Texas A&M retroactively. To get the clause they must give Texas A&M freedom.

4. The majority is not thrilled with Beebe.

My prediction is that the Big 12 does not exist after Thursday, that a new conference is formed and that there are six or seven remaining members with SMU, TCU, Houston and BYU being offered membership in the new Big whatever. Texass University gets their new conference, minus Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M and the chance to play in the BCS Championship game every year, due to a weak schedule. ala Boise State. Texas A&M walks to the SEC without paying anyone and without the threat of legal action, which would be gone when the Big 12 dissolves. Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, and Missouri would rather have security than money from Texas A&M and they have to cut A&M loose to get security. There will be at least five votes for dissolution and that is all that are needed. The conference is dissolved if it only has five members and it appears that may well happen. Baylor by refusing to sign the wavier has cost every remaining member of the conference $2 million dollars and security; therefore, no one is happy with Baylor. Last week the conference had a chance to have seven members, plus any new ones that would come and security.
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Seriously man, just STFU. I dont care what way you or your fan base tries to spin this. If the Big 12 dies, it is squarely on OU's shoulders. If this is true, you will be viewed no greater than aTm and Nebraska in my eyes...a bunch of whiney little ******* who helped create the problem that is the Big 12 (ala unequal revenue sharing), and now that Texas just keeps getting bigger than yourselves, you're trying to head off somehwere else where Texas is not, in a feudal attempt to make yourself better than Texas.
 
Boomer said:
If what Im hearing is accurate you all should be upset with Baylor for costing a 3-5 million dollar payout from A&M out the door
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I dunno, I'm mostly upset with ADs who can't work their problems out and stick together.
 
yaman3 said:
Why? If the forgotten school stick together, aTm and Oklahoma as well as OKSt. leave, we will get our payout.
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Indeed.

The logic in the email posted by Boomer is reminiscent of Hitler's rationales for invading Poland and other countries during WWII. O no, it isn't OU and ATM who are thowing the smaller schools into the fire, the bigger schools are merely acting to protect everyone's interests. Blame the small school that wants to assert its rights instead. Good grief!!
 
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