maybe so, but I'm still interested in the responses. Underneath all the back and forth, there's still arguments that can be looked at and considered.
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maybe so, but I'm still interested in the responses. Underneath all the back and forth, there's still arguments that can be looked at and considered.
If other Cyclone fans are counting McGee, I can count Hubbard. Collectively, Iowa is adding enough players that any reasonable person can see that it will more than offset the numbers lossed by the departure of Cole and Payne. Quite frankly, there's just not that much to replace. Iowa is going from 9 available scholarship players to 12 this year. There will be more options and Fran recruited for certain deficiencies and he succeeded.
Hubbard - needed athleticism, rebounding and scoring punch
Olaseni - needed athleticism, shot blocking and defense. Also makes up somewhat for Cole's departure by himself. (7' foot wingspan)
White - needed athleticism, scoring punch. (nearly 7 foot wingspan)
Oglesby - 3pt shooting
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I think you need to factor in that most of the newcomers for ISU are transfers who have been out of high school for between 2 and 4 years. ISU isn't relying on freshmen to come in and make an impact like Iowa is. Hubbard was pretty high rated JuCo, but the rest of the incoming players are freshmen. Not a lot of teams succeed when relying so heavily on freshmen. (minus schools bringing in all 4 star or 5 star talent like kentucky)
I wonder how Iowa's team chemistry will look with none of those newcomers ever playing together plus the fact that almost none of them have played any college ball before and are coming straight from high school.....
Lost in this is the fact that Iowa is much more than Basabe and Cartwright. Iowa still has Matt Gatens coming back who was Iowa's leading scorer last season. Also in the mix are Marble, May, McCabe and Brommer. Marble played well for a freshman last season, 5.7 pts and 2.4 reb. He played mainly in a backup role to Cartwright and he performed adequately. He played very well in Iowa's victory over top ten Purdue.
The newcomers will be used to plug holes in the rotation as newcomers should be used.
Many of your Cyclone associates were saying the same about Cartwright and Basabe before last season. I really don't think I'm going to be disappointed at all.
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In order for Iowa to even sniff the NCAA they would probably have to improve +3 games in preseason, +4 games on the home Big Ten Schedule and +2 Big Ten road games. I'm not sure Iowa could pull that off this season.
If you look at it another way though, Iowa was close to beating Penn St. and Northwestern on the road. They took Wisconsin and Michigan to OT at Carver Hawkeye and also only lost by 5 to Ohio St.
It's not out of the realm of possibilities.
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I'd agree. But I would actually think ISU is about 5 wins better and makes the tourney. 11 seed, maybe? I picture them as next years Missouri from the Big12. Really good at home, not so much on the road....making the tourney.
BigLug or other hawk fan - help me with this:
1.) Cartwright/ Marble
2.) Gatens/ Marble/ Oglesby
3.) Hubbard/ May?/ White
4.) Basabe/ McCabe?/ Olaseni
5.) Brommer?
1.) Cartwright/ Marble
2.) Gatens/ Marble/ Oglesby
3.) Hubbard/ May?/ White
4.) Basabe/ McCabe?/ Olaseni
5.) Brommer?
You do realize that you are talking about the nucleus of an 11 win team, correct?
I'd be shocked if Iowa is over 15 wins next season.
1) Cartwright/Marble
2) Gatens/Oglesby
3) Hubbard or May
4) Basabe/White or McCabe
5) Brommer/Olaseni/Archie (15 fouls to give defending the post!)
Marble is going to be kind of a utility guy, at a reported 6'7 he's kind of big for PG. Apparently Hubbard can handle some backup PG. Marble will get minutes at possibly 3 positions.
I don't see much room for White at the 3, his natural position. He has the size for a 4 though and that's where I think he'll see most of his time.
I have to give Brommer the nod at the 5. Fran has said that Olaseni will be allowed to play through his mistakes as a freshman and he was recruited partially to get the double team off of Basabe down low. Fran says that Olaseni has a good 10 to 12 foot jump shot, so he will need to be guarded in the high post. He is a 6'10 guy with the big wingspan known for his defense and shot blocking ability.
Last but not least and maybe fodder for the giggle file for you ISU fans... Iowa does have a backup PG in Stoermer. He's really not that bad. He has come in a few times last year and provided a spark, hit some 3's. So he's also an option.
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A 11 win team that had at least 3 wins better than anyone ISU beat last year.
A nearly intact 11 win team from last year may seem like a curse to some, but to others it may be a blessing! If you want to go by last years results, there's probably more potential with this Iowa team than a re-tooled ISU team who has yet to prove anything.
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I'm going to act as if that statement has absolutely anything to do with the original comment and isn't just petty deflection. Here is the logical response:
I can point out 5-6 wins for ISU that were much more impressive than their win over Iowa.
I see one win for Iowa in Purdue that I would consider a better win. I'm sure you're trying to add in Michigan State, but that was a down team this year, possibly because their backcourt is currently in Ames.
I'm not really sure why you would even attempt to bother to compare the two. Iowa is returning a good chunk of the team from last season. ISU is returning two regular contributors.
It's like comparing apples (ISU) to dog **** (Iowa). I can be petty too.
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Huh?
Put me in the camp that would rather be bringing in the group of talented guys on paper over the group of guys that have proven that they can manage 11 wins in a season.
God I can't believe I'm doing this, but I agree with Cyph. BigLug, you are off base with the comment that Cyph quoted.
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