Basketball talent....

[Hawkeye11en1]

That's a logical line of thinking. However, I'm curious to see how Cole's absence affects the team. If we had Cole this year, I'd buy what you're selling 100%. But he was really the glue, the heart and soul of the team. Even when he wasn't putting up numbers, it was obvious that the team looked to him for leadership, and he provided that time and again.

Cole played over his head for a lot of the year, I think. He played with that leadership and confidence that the team desperately needed and it made his game so much better. It is going to really hurt not having that leadership around. Someone is going to have to step up or it's not going to be pretty.

 

[TheBigLug]

Cole played over his head for a lot of the year, I think. He played with that leadership and confidence that the team desperately needed and it made his game so much better. It is going to really hurt not having that leadership around. Someone is going to have to step up or it's not going to be pretty.

Cartwright displayed a toughness that was really unmatched by any other Hawk last season. I think he will be one of the team leaders, on and off the court. Losing Cole is not going to be a deal breaker for the Hawkeyes this year.

 

[CYphyllis]

It's fairly simple really.

4 guys that averaged 38%+ from 3 in their last collegiate season.
2 guys that were considered their previous teams best defenders.
1 guy with 2 final four appearances.
1 5 star recruit that by all accounts from people near the program, inlcluding coaches, is the real deal.
1 highly regarded recruit coming out of HS that by all accounts had his confidence crushed by a system he didn't fit in.
2 athletic posts that have been reported to be able to bench in the 350 area (been awhile for ISU to have strong post presence).
4 returning players, two of which saw significant minutes last season. Inlcuding one being given an honorable mention for All B12 and the other having an impressive freshman year.
1 incoming 1st team JuCo All American.
1 incoming freshman ranked as the 3rd best prospect in NY.
1 incoming freshman named to 1st team all Michigan.

4 guys that have been practicing together against a B12 caliber team day in, day out for over a year.

 

[CyDude16]

It's fairly simple really.

4 guys that averaged 38%+ from 3 in their last collegiate season.
2 guys that were considered their previous teams best defenders.
1 guy with 2 final four appearances.
1 5 star recruit that by all accounts from people near the program, inlcluding coaches, is the real deal.
1 highly regarded recruit coming out of HS that by all accounts had his confidence crushed by a system he didn't fit in.
2 athletic posts that have been reported to be able to bench in the 350 area (been awhile for ISU to have strong post presence).
4 returning players, two of which saw significant minutes last season. Inlcuding one being given an honorable mention for All B12 and the other having an impressive freshman year.
1 incoming 1st team JuCo All American.
1 incoming freshman ranked as the 3rd best prospect in NY.
1 incoming freshman named to 1st team all Michigan.

4 guys that have been practicing together against a B12 caliber team day in, day out for over a year.

Shush, dont use common sense with the "lug", he wants to believe Iowa is going to be awesome. Maybe they should get Cougill back.

 

[burky247]

The truth is no one knows what kind of seasons either team will have next season. Everyone is high on both squads for good reason. But there are still question marks looming.

We can try and project and predict about next season all we want. But we don't know how ISU's transfers will pan out once the season gets going. Nor do we know how much of a loss Lutz will end up being. For Iowa, we don't know how the lack of depth at PG will affect the team once the B10 season starts. Nor do we know how much the players will improve during the off season.

I think the future is bright for both Iowa and ISU. If I were to buy stock in one of the programs next season, I would pick ISU. I think it's fair to say that they have accumulated more talent than Iowa in a short period of time. But college basketball is a funny game sometimes. It isn't always about talent. All you have to do is watch the NCAA tournament year after year to understand that.

 

[TheBigLug]

It's fairly simple really.

4 guys that averaged 38%+ from 3 in their last collegiate season.
2 guys that were considered their previous teams best defenders.
1 guy with 2 final four appearances.
1 5 star recruit that by all accounts from people near the program, inlcluding coaches, is the real deal.
1 highly regarded recruit coming out of HS that by all accounts had his confidence crushed by a system he didn't fit in.
2 athletic posts that have been reported to be able to bench in the 350 area (been awhile for ISU to have strong post presence).
4 returning players, two of which saw significant minutes last season. Inlcuding one being given an honorable mention for All B12 and the other having an impressive freshman year.
1 incoming 1st team JuCo All American.
1 incoming freshman ranked as the 3rd best prospect in NY.
1 incoming freshman named to 1st team all Michigan.

4 guys that have been practicing together against a B12 caliber team day in, day out for over a year.

2 new coaches
10 available scholarship players
2nd year coach who has yet to beat anyone better than Colorado.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

2 new coaches
10 available scholarship players
2nd year coach who has yet to beat anyone better than Colorado.

Right. This side seems to be much, much heavier than the other side of the argument

To address those concerns I will say that I don't think losing McRoy will hurt our team very much at all. I never heard him mentioned at all last year as having any kind of impact on the team in any stories.

I will give you the fact that Lutz is leaving though. That sucks. However, I think that the biggest thing that Lutz was brought here to do was to help Fred get on track and get used to the everyday happenings and responsibilities of being a head coach as he learned on the fly. In year 2, I would hope that FH doesn't need help with those things nearly as much as in year 1. I have every bit of confidence that FH can handle the team along with veteran coaching from Mann in a way that will absolutely not be a negative come next season.

And when it comes to 10 scholarship players, I'm not sure where you are going with that. We had like 7 playing last year. Who knows how well Fred will do when given 10 players instead of 7. Not to mention that you aren't counting Bubu who might receive a one year scholarship anyway if we don't pick anyone else up.

 

[CYphyllis]

2 new coaches
10 available scholarship players
2nd year coach who has yet to beat anyone better than Colorado.

To quote my good pal Roy Williams:

"College basketball is 10% coaching and 90% recruiting"

10 available scholarship players in MBB is most definitely enough, unless a freakish amount of injuries occur.

I watched Hoiberg take an absolutely decimated team to a 16-16 record and propel Garrett from after thought PG to possible NBA draft pick in his first year coaching, I'm not overly worried about his abilities to coach or his knowledge of the game.

 

[TheBigLug]

To quote my good pal Roy Williams:

"College basketball is 10% coaching and 90% recruiting"

10 available scholarship players in MBB is most definitely enough, unless a freakish amount of injuries occur.

I watched Hoiberg take an absolutely decimated team to a 16-16 record and propel Garrett from after thought PG to possible NBA draft pick in his first year coaching, I'm not overly worried about his abilities to coach or his knowledge of the game.

That's fair. It will be fun to see how this all plays out this year. It will probably bum me out a bit (ok, a lot) if the Cyclones make the tournament and the Hawkeyes are sitting at home, but it's only a matter of time before Fran gets this turned around for the Hawkeyes. Just like ISU, Iowa lost a lot of close games last season, some of which they had a substantial lead in. This year the Hawkeyes have the players to win those games.

 

[CyDude16]

2 new coaches
10 available scholarship players
2nd year coach who has yet to beat anyone better than Colorado.

McRoy isn't that big of a loss. Yes losing Lutz sucks but I think CFH hasn't learned quite a bit and Mann should be a suitable replacement. 10 scholarship players sure is great since we were playing with six scholarship players and a walk on for a majority of the season last year that got a 16-16 record. Again not to worried. Your bullet points hardly hold a candle to bullet points offered by cyphillis.

 

[TheBigLug]

McRoy isn't that big of a loss. Yes losing Lutz sucks but I think CFH hasn't learned quite a bit and Mann should be a suitable replacement. 10 scholarship players sure is great since we were playing with six scholarship players and a walk on for a majority of the season last year that got a 16-16 record. Again not to worried. Your bullet points hardly hold a candle to bullet points offered by cyphillis.

16 wins yes, but the Cyclone's really didn't beat anyone. The win over Iowa was probably the 4th best win for the Cyclones last year. Maybe a bigger win than that since it was on the road in Iowa City.

 

[HawkFanISUalum]

I'm pretty sure the Hawks will in the PGA Championship, and the Cyclones will take the Stanley Cup. Just my prediction with 6 months to go until basketball season.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

16 wins yes, but the Cyclone's really didn't beat anyone. The win over Iowa was probably the 4th best win for the Cyclones last year. Maybe a bigger win than that since it was on the road in Iowa City.

I agree with you to an extent but there is something to be said about beating everyone you are supposed to in non conference. ISU never had any flop games against terrible opponents in non conference like Iowa did.

ISU did underperform against the bottom of the Big 12 conference though. (Oklahoma, Texas Tech, blew it against OSU,)

 

[awd4cy]

16 wins yes, but the Cyclone's really didn't beat anyone. The win over Iowa was probably the 4th best win for the Cyclones last year. Maybe a bigger win than that since it was on the road in Iowa City.

I would have to put the wins against Baylor, Nebraska, Colorado, and at Virginia all ahead of that Iowa win. I would say Iowa was the 5th best win at best.

 

[mikem]

That's fair. It will be fun to see how this all plays out this year. It will probably bum me out a bit (ok, a lot) if the Cyclones make the tournament and the Hawkeyes are sitting at home, but it's only a matter of time before Fran gets this turned around for the Hawkeyes. Just like ISU, Iowa lost a lot of close games last season, some of which they had a substantial lead in. This year the Hawkeyes have the players to win those games.

Ahh, so you mission with this thread is to run the standard u response concerning Iowa State basketball....Got ya.

You have managed to hit every canned response in your 14 posts, good job.

 

[mikem]

I would have to put the wins against Baylor, Nebraska, Colorado, and at Virginia all ahead of that Iowa win. I would say Iowa was the 5th best win at best.

Hey hey hey....even though those were against better teams, and mostly conference games, you have to remember that the u is THE most important game for EVERYBODY they play.

It has to be tough to be THE premier program in every sport you play.:v_SPIN:

 

[Yes13]

That's fair. It will be fun to see how this all plays out this year. It will probably bum me out a bit (ok, a lot) if the Cyclones make the tournament and the Hawkeyes are sitting at home, but it's only a matter of time before Fran gets this turned around for the Hawkeyes. Just like ISU, Iowa lost a lot of close games last season, some of which they had a substantial lead in. This year the Hawkeyes have the players to win those games.

Can I ask who those players are? Basabe? Cartwright? the same players that led you to 11 wins. Are you guys relying on Hubbard to be your guy? Iowa State fans can't expect Royce White or Chris Allen to be much, but Iowa fans can rely on Hubbard to win games? I think Aaron White will be a pretty good player, but you can't expect him to average more than 8ppg his freshman year. So who are these players?

 

[CYphyllis]

Can I ask who those players are? Basabe? Cartwright? the same players that led you to 11 wins. Are you guys relying on Hubbard to be your guy? Iowa State fans can't expect Royce White or Chris Allen to be much, but Iowa fans can rely on Hubbard to win games? I think Aaron White will be a pretty good player, but you can't expect him to average more than 8ppg his freshman year. So who are these players?

When he is needed most, Lil' Lick will emerge from the lockerroom, like a phoenix from the ashes, to grasp victory for the Hawks from the clutches of their most hated rival, the South Dakota State Jackrabbits.

No way Lil' Lick lets that happen twice, not on his watch.

 

[madcityCY]

What is Iowa's projected (speculated) lineup/ depth by position? Can someone in the know post it? TIA.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

When he is needed most, Lil' Lick will emerge from the lockerroom, like a phoenix from the ashes, to grasp victory for the Hawks from the clutches of their most hated rival, the South Dakota State Jackrabbits.

No way Lil' Lick lets that happen twice, not on his watch.

Yur damn right. In the 8 minutes he played for that DIII team last season he showed he was ready to dominate. He will be back and better than ever.