Teams
Forum List
Toggle sidebar

Speculation that Osama Bin Laden killed

what was your first reaction to hearing about the news?

mine was a feeling of pure elation and i wanted to go out and hug my neighbors. it's natural for humans to want to band together when a feeling of justice has been served. am i saying it's right? no. but i am saying that i understand it, and had i been at iowa state or washington d.c., i would've been side by side with my fellow americans.
 
cyclaholic said:
what was your first reaction to hearing about the news?

mine was a feeling of pure elation and i wanted to go out and hug my neighbors. it's natural for humans to want to band together when a feeling of justice has been served. am i saying it's right? no. but i am saying that i understand it, and had i been at iowa state or washington d.c., i would've been side by side with my fellow americans.
Click to expand...

My first reaction? Big deal, this one's dead, now it's on to the next one.

I wasn't directly impacted by 9/11, so I don't feel the same sense of closure that the families do.
 
cyclonemaniac7 said:
It's counterintuitive, but it works. Violence in response to violence will NEVER create true peace.
Click to expand...

So many holes in this statement it's hard to begin....what about WWII? Do we not have a 'true' peace with Germany? How about the American civil war? The south wasn't even a true military threat, that worked out pretty good didn't it? Do you feel unsafe walking the streets in the south because you are from the north?

You could name sitiuations all day were violence in the name of justice and the greater good unquestionably created a "true" peace.
 
tm3308 said:
You do realize that those people in the Middle East who celebrated saw those thousands of people in the same evil light that we saw bin Laden, right? They felt equally justified.

It has to stop somewhere. We don't have any control over those people. We can only control ourselves, which is why when we can do something to stop the cycle, we should do it.
Click to expand...
Sure I realize that. I also realize that they're wrong and we're right. They will realize that as well, after they die and find themselves in hell and no virgins in front of them.
 
tm3308 said:
You do realize that those people in the Middle East who celebrated saw those thousands of people in the same evil light that we saw bin Laden, right? They felt equally justified.

It has to stop somewhere. We don't have any control over those people. We can only control ourselves, which is why when we can do something to stop the cycle, we should do it.
Click to expand...

Exactly, I'd like to think as Americans we're above that. That being said, I'm not offended or upset that people celebrated I just think it was excessive and unnecessary, when this really didnt change anything.
 
cyclonedave25 said:
Sure I realize that. I also realize that they're wrong and we're right. They will realize that as well, after they die and find themselves in hell and no virgins in front of them.
Click to expand...

You "realize we're right" because it's YOUR line of thinking. It's no different than religion. I have a tough time deciding what I believe in that department, because EVERY religion believe that it alone holds the answer.

For all any of us knows, Islam has it right. For all they know, Christianity is the answer. And there could be nothing after life on earth. Nobody knows the answer to that question.
 
tm3308 said:
You do realize that those people in the Middle East who celebrated saw those thousands of people in the same evil light that we saw bin Laden, right? They felt equally justified.

It has to stop somewhere. We don't have any control over those people. We can only control ourselves, which is why when we can do something to stop the cycle, we should do it.
Click to expand...

But do you believe they were correct in thinking that? If so then go ahead condemn those who celebrated Bin Laden's death.

It all comes down to what we perceive as right and wrong, justice and injustice. This is the same for the rest of the world. Most Americans viewed this as justice, so they celebrated. Get over it.
 
tm3308 said:
And we were p*ssed about it. Now look at us, we're doing the exact same thing. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Click to expand...

I don't believe it is wrong to celebrate the death of a mass murderer. You are comparing that to celebrating the deaths of innocent civilians, which I believe is a faulty comparison. Also, most of those "celebrations" in the Arab world shown after 9/11 were later proven to be false, most was video of them celebrating Holidays which was wrongly shown by some media as them celebrating 9/11.

Its no more wrong to celebrate the death of OBL than to celebrate the Death of Hitler or any other mass murderer.
 
Cyclone711 said:
But do you believe they were correct in thinking that? If so then go ahead condemn those who celebrated Bin Laden's death.

It all comes down to what we perceive as right and wrong, justice and injustice. This is the same for the rest of the world. Most Americans viewed this as justice, so they celebrated. Get over it.
Click to expand...

No, I don't think they were right in the Middle East. But our reaction only continues the cycle. Now the ball is in their court.
 
tm3308 said:
You "realize we're right" because it's YOUR line of thinking. It's no different than religion. I have a tough time deciding what I believe in that department, because EVERY religion believe that it alone holds the answer.

For all any of us knows, Islam has it right. For all they know, Christianity is the answer. And there could be nothing after life on earth. Nobody knows the answer to that question.
Click to expand...

If doing the right thing means killing innocent people, then **** on my face and slap me silly.
If that's honestly what you feel is right, then go ahead and be sad about Bin Ladens death.
 
CloneIce said:
I don't believe it is wrong to celebrate the death of a mass murderer. You are comparing that to celebrating the deaths of innocent civilians, which I believe is a faulty comparison. Also, most of those "celebrations" in the Arab world shown after 9/11 were later proven to be false, most was video of them celebrating Holidays which was wrongly shown by some media as them celebrating 9/11.

Its no more wrong to celebrate the death of OBL than to celebrate the Death of Hitler or any other mass murderer.
Click to expand...

Again, those extremists find us JUST as evil as we found bin Laden to be. They feel that we've been massacring people all over the world for decades. That's not what WE think, because we're quite obviously biased, just like those extremists are in favor of bin Laden. Nobody is going to call themselves a mass murderer.
 
tm3308 said:
You do realize that those people in the Middle East who celebrated saw those thousands of people in the same evil light that we saw bin Laden, right? They felt equally justified.

It has to stop somewhere. We don't have any control over those people. We can only control ourselves, which is why when we can do something to stop the cycle, we should do it.
Click to expand...

I find myself in the strange position of agreeing with a Hawk on this one. My first reaction to the celebrations is that it is a very "Middle Eastern" thing to do to take to the streets to celebrate someones death. I also have to wonder how many out on the streets were celebrating the death of Bin Laden and how many were out celebrating celebrating. I am all for excitement about Bin Laden's death, but such outward demonstrations are a bit over the top, in my book at least.
 
Last edited:
cyclonedave25 said:
If doing the right thing means killing innocent people, then **** on my face and slap me silly.
If that's honestly what you feel is right, then go ahead and be sad about Bin Ladens death.
Click to expand...

Where did I say I feel that they are right? I don't. And I'm certainly not sad about bin Laden's death. I'm glad he's dead, I'm just not going to go and jump for joy in the streets over it, because things are really not any different going forward.
 
cyclonemaniac7 said:
Have you not seen the safety measures that are being put in place today because of his death? We are obviously on higher alert now.
Click to expand...

Yes, and cyclonemaniac7 is not any more statistically likely to be killed in a terrorist attack than he was before. Taking necessary safety measures and precautions is a wise course of action, but in and of itself does not mean you individually are in any more danger than the previous day. There is no correlation that can be drawn between elevated terror alerts and civilian deaths from terrorism in the main land United States.
 
tm3308 said:
Where did I say I feel that they are right? I don't. And I'm certainly not sad about bin Laden's death. I'm glad he's dead, I'm just not going to go and jump for joy in the streets over it, because things are really not any different going forward.
Click to expand...

You didn't. I was just saying.
And I wasn't in the streets celebrating, either, but I certainly don't have anything against it.
 
Clonefan32 said:
I fnd myself in the strange position of agreeing with a Hawk on this one. My first reaction to the celebrations is that it is a very "Middle Eastern" thing to do to take to the streets to celebrate someone's death. I also have to wonder how many out on the streets were celebrating the death of Bin Laden and how many were out celebrating celebrating. I am all for excitement about Bin Laden's death, but such outward demonstrations are a bit over the top, in my book at least.
Click to expand...

I totally agree with this. I'm definitely torn on how to react. I am certainly happy they got him, and totally agree the world is a better place. I have no close personal ties to 9/11, so obviously those who do will have stronger feelings. But I don't think it's appropriate to be running in the streets, partying, chanting USA! That is EXACTLY what extremists would do if they killed, say, Obama or Bush. I feel like it has to stop somewhere. Yes, it is a big deal, no denying that. But we're only making the rest of the world hate us more by acting out like this.
 
I for one support the celebrating in the streets, and I wish I would have been in Ames for it. Many people are saying that the college kids who were celebrating were too young to even remember what happened. I whole-heartedly disagree. We had to grow up with this, and for many of us it helped form some of our moralities and political views. People are the most impressionable when they are young, and this all happened when we were forming our views and opinions. I doubt many parents could fully explain what was happening to their kids during 9-11, so I believe many were left to interpret it in their own way. It's definitely not over, but damn it feels good to notch one up in W column.
 
Cyclone711 said:
I for one support the celebrating in the streets, and I wish I would have been in Ames for it. Many people are saying that the college kids who were celebrating were too young to even remember what happened. I whole-heartedly disagree. We had to grow up with this, and for many of us it helped form some of our moralities and political views. People are the most impressionable when they are young, and this all happened when we were forming our views and opinions. I doubt many parents could fully explain what was happening to their kids during 9-11, so I believe many were left to interpret it in their own way. It's definitely not over, but damn it feels good to notch one up in W column.
Click to expand...

I just have a hard time believing that alot of these kids felt so patriotic that they had to express their emotions in a public display. College kids love to demonstrate, riot, chant, cheer, drink, etc. I think more than anything it gave kids an opportunity to do those things. Not to say they weren't excited about Bin Laden being killed, but I doubt they were so overcome with emotion they needed to grab a 12 pack, chant, cheer, light dumpsters on fire, etc. In doing so, I think their reaction looked eerily similar to what a large, Middle Eastern city would look like if one of our leaders was killed.
 
cyclonemaniac7 said:
I'm personally saddened by this news. I know 9/11 was a great tragedy, but this killing of Bin Laden will not help anything. We are now on higher alert for a retaliation. You cannot stop violence with more violence. This will only instigate terrorists more, and we can expect them to retaliate soon, and we will have another tragic event. Fight violence with over-the-top love and peace.
Click to expand...
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc]YouTube - The Dark Knight - Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn[/ame]
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Help Support Us

Become a patron
Top Bottom
Back