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THE HAWK SIGNAL IS UP

HAWKEYESCOTT, YOUR HAWKEYES NEED YOU.

POST HERE ASAP!!!
 
weR138 said:
THE HAWK SIGNAL IS UP

HAWKEYESCOTT, YOUR HAWKEYES NEED YOU.

POST HERE ASAP!!!
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tazclone said:
The big televenelve has taken over for for the SEC as well. the big televenelve has 4 teams in the top 11.

These numbers kinda shoot the theory of"it happens everywhere" out the door. It certainly doesn't happen with as much frequency as it does at iowa.
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These numbers don't shoot any theory out the door. It is only comparing last years pre-season top 25 teams, expand this to include all schools and I think you will find that Iowa or Pitt isn't even in the top 10, most of these numbers are from 3 or 4 years ago with guys still on the team, not all these "arrests" happened last year so yes it still "does happen everywhere" and with as much frequency.

Actually this will prove my point better:

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hawkeyescott said:
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These numbers don't shoot any theory out the door. It is only comparing last years pre-season top 25 teams, expand this to include all schools and I think you will find that Iowa or Pitt isn't even in the top 10, most of these numbers are from 3 or 4 years ago with guys still on the team, not all these "arrests" happened last year so yes it still "does happen everywhere" and with as much frequency.

Actually this will prove my point better:

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Sorry but it doesn't happen everywhere with the frequency of iowa. That top twenty five is a good snapshot and illustrates that iowa has more instances. Because iowa ranks so high over four years, it shows a consistent problem. A problem that occurs repeatedly. It is only the top 25 but it shows that iowa has double the instances of most top twenty five teams. That means even if you eliminated half of iowa's instances, they would still be top ten. Eliminate 2/3 of iowa's instances and they are still top 15.

The Fulmer Cup isn't a list of arrests, it is actually scores and is a snapshot of one year. More serious crimes are awarded more points. Take Oregon for example. they only have 4 kids with police records but they rank high in this years Fulmer Cup. That is because two of the kids had serious offenses this year. Interesting note but iowa would have won the Fulmer cup a couple years ago but because the everson/satterfield charges were filed later, the points went onto the next year. and when charges were filed, the two POS were on other teams so their offenses never went towards the Fulmer Cup. iowa is one of 12 teams that has multiple top ten Fulmer cup finishes. If I was an iowa fan, I would not tout Fulmer cup standings. Not only do they have multiple top ten finishes but there is one season where they were just outside the top 10.

In the end, iowa has more frequent issues than most schools. Yes, it happens at other schools. ISU is definitely not immune although I think we would only have 3 on the team with police records. Tau'fo'ou, Moore, and Hamlin. But the frequency it happens at iowa is much higher.


By the way...your claim that most happened 3-4 years ago is BS. Iowa finished tied for 4th last year in the Fulmer Cup. FULMER CUP 2009: THE FINAL TALLY - Every Day Should Be Saturday
 
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hawkeyescott said:
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These numbers don't shoot any theory out the door. It is only comparing last years pre-season top 25 teams, expand this to include all schools and I think you will find that Iowa or Pitt isn't even in the top 10, most of these numbers are from 3 or 4 years ago with guys still on the team, not all these "arrests" happened last year so yes it still "does happen everywhere" and with as much frequency.

Actually this will prove my point better:

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Just for review here is last years fulmer Cup top ten

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Who is that there at #4? I didn't realize that 2009 was 3-4 years ago. :biglaugh:

BTW- Iowa finished
26th in 2010(ISU 26th) http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2010
4th in 2009(ISU 38th) http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2009
24th in 2008(ISU 47th) http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2008
11th in 2007(ISU 32nd)http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2007
8th in 2006(ISU 21st) http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2006

That is amazing since the rapists never accumulated points for iowa. Two top ten finishes since the award originated and three top 15. They would have three top ten finishes if the rapists would have(should have) accumulated points in 2007. AWESOME! hoks rule the fulmer cup
 
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hawkeyescott said:
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These numbers don't shoot any theory out the door. It is only comparing last years pre-season top 25 teams, expand this to include all schools and I think you will find that Iowa or Pitt isn't even in the top 10, most of these numbers are from 3 or 4 years ago with guys still on the team, not all these "arrests" happened last year so yes it still "does happen everywhere" and with as much frequency.

Actually this will prove my point better:
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LMAO but I just found this

Fulmer Cup Dynasty - SAS Wiki


It is the all time standings for the Fulmer Cup...Iowa is right there at 11th. If everson and satterfield had accumulated points, iowa would be solidly in 6th place with 44 points Yep, happens at every school with the same frequency. FWIW- ISU is tied at 44th.

I wonder if the Fulmer Cup standings were part of the requirement for Nebraska to enter the big televenelve? It would explain why they were invited and not other rumored schools
 
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CyDude16 said:
I enjoy the typical hawk deflection in this thread.
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No kidding. the thread is about # of iowa football players with a police record then the hok fans turn it into ISU's W/L record. Can't believe how many Clone fans fell for the deflection

I noticed hawkeyescott posted last years Fulmer Cup results but disappeared when iowa's Fulmer cup history was presented. Kinda hard to dispute facts.

What is hilarious is, the 2010 fulmer Cups doesn't even include DJK or Robinson. Throw in 7 (3 per possession and 1 for odd circmstances) more points like they should have received and they would have been top ten.
 
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hawkeyescott said:
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These numbers don't shoot any theory out the door. It is only comparing last years pre-season top 25 teams, expand this to include all schools and I think you will find that Iowa or Pitt isn't even in the top 10, most of these numbers are from 3 or 4 years ago with guys still on the team, not all these "arrests" happened last year so yes it still "does happen everywhere" and with as much frequency.

Actually this will prove my point better:

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Just read the rules again for the Fulmer cup and if you include DJK and ARob, iowa has the potential of a top 6 finish. It depends how they view the possession charges. I am guessing they will give DJK atleast 3 pts and possibly 4. ARob gets 2 but since he was suspended they might add another 1 for being stupid. Then since those two would be the 3rd and fourth hok arrested, the team gets 4 bonus points. That is potential 11 extra points that would slide iowa right into 6th place all by themselves! Bare minimum iowa will receive 8 points which will have them tied for 9th.
That would have iowa with 3 top ten finishes. Only one other school school can top that and that is Georgia (five top ten finishes)
 
tazclone said:
No kidding. the thread is about # of iowa football players with a police record then the hok fans turn it into ISU's W/L record. Can't believe how many Clone fans fell for the deflection

I noticed hawkeyescott posted last years Fulmer Cup results but disappeared when iowa's Fulmer cup history was presented. Kinda hard to dispute facts.

What is hilarious is, the 2010 fulmer Cups doesn't even include DJK or Robinson. Throw in 7 (3 per possession and 1 for odd circmstances) more points like they should have received and they would have been top ten.
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As if message boards are notorious for staying on topic...

Any way you slice it, even as Iowa State fans, poking at Iowa for the off the field indiscretions has to get old. I realize that you can only internet hype your receiving corps for so long before you finally figure out that you're just putting lipstick on a pig.

Do you think that perhaps all of the deflecting was getting to the root cause of your constant blathering about Iowa's off the field problems? There isn't much to talk about regarding the Cyclones. New quarterback, not yet proven RB, and a schedule that includes 11 BCS teams = sub .500 season again this year. So I guess it makes a little sense that while ISU is sitting at home in December/January while Iowa is playing in bowls, you have to hang your hat on something...might as well be Iowa's off the field problems, and nothing regarding your own program other than feeling good about yourselves because you "did it the right way".

Aside from the rivalry, most schools in the midwest are left at a complete recruiting disadvantage each year due to the weather. So if you want to sustain any form of success, most schools will have to take a gamble on players, some more than others. While Iowa has certainly been burned by this, they are certainly a respectable team ON the field as well.

So keep trumpeting your "Honor Before Victory" rebecacy, you'll eventually (hard to believe you haven't already) figure out that it just won't get ISU very far.

Disclaimer: I am in no way supporting any actions of the players who get in trouble, but I do realize that sometimes the risk is required to get the reward.
 
TheGovernator said:
As if message boards are notorious for staying on topic...

Any way you slice it, even as Iowa State fans, poking at Iowa for the off the field indiscretions has to get old. I realize that you can only internet hype your receiving corps for so long before you finally figure out that you're just putting lipstick on a pig.

Do you think that perhaps all of the deflecting was getting to the root cause of your constant blathering about Iowa's off the field problems? There isn't much to talk about regarding the Cyclones. New quarterback, not yet proven RB, and a schedule that includes 11 BCS teams = sub .500 season again this year. So I guess it makes a little sense that while ISU is sitting at home in December/January while Iowa is playing in bowls, you have to hang your hat on something...might as well be Iowa's off the field problems, and nothing regarding your own program other than feeling good about yourselves because you "did it the right way".

Aside from the rivalry, most schools in the midwest are left at a complete recruiting disadvantage each year due to the weather. So if you want to sustain any form of success, most schools will have to take a gamble on players, some more than others. While Iowa has certainly been burned by this, they are certainly a respectable team ON the field as well.

So keep trumpeting your "Honor Before Victory" rebecacy, you'll eventually (hard to believe you haven't already) figure out that it just won't get ISU very far.

Disclaimer: I am in no way supporting any actions of the players who get in trouble, but I do realize that sometimes the risk is required to get the reward.
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I will ignore 90% of your post since it is an attempt to deflect again. It is funny how you think the risk is required to get the reward. This SI article would definitely disprove that theory. 19 of those top 25 teams( a majority) had less than half the issues of iowa. Somehow, they still ended up in the top 25. Some aren't even traditional football powers yet they can obtain success without their players getting in trouble. How can that be if the "risk is required to get the reward."


Your "schools in the midwest are left at a complete recruiting disadvantage each year due to the weather" is a little off as well. 5 of the top ten offenders are from southern schools and there are other "northern schools" on that list that have been successful without the legal issues.

BTW- I don't have an issue with most of iowa's legal problems. I just like to debate the hok theory that it happens at most schools and iowa is no different. Fact is they are. I do have a major issue with how ferentz handled the rapists. That in my book lowers ferentz to their level. That makes him a POS in my book no matter how much he wins.
 
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TheGovernator said:
Disclaimer: I am in no way supporting any actions of the players who get in trouble, but I do realize that sometimes the risk is required to get the reward.
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I agree with you, but find it interesting that there are so many Hawk brethren over on HN that are so disgusted with ISU bringing in transfers with baggage. Lots of people calling our guys "thugs" and such, even when that tag isn't justified.
 
isucyfan said:
I agree with you, but find it interesting that there are so many Hawk brethren over on HN that are so disgusted with ISU bringing in transfers with baggage. Lots of people calling our guys "thugs" and such, even when that tag isn't justified.
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Hypocritical message board fans are a dime a dozen.
 
These stats are all kind of win. The hawks were in the running for #1 in the country for something.

For those deflecting. Here's a little stat for you. Iowa has more criminals ON THEIR ROSTER than the entire big XII according to that news report. This is essentially like a 4-5 year averaging system. So you hawktards can stop with the everyone is out to get Iowa (thug) U and manipulating the statistics. Deflect all you want, freerents and the eastern Iowa dupster continue to rack up the scum and slime.

Its currently running on cbs evening news. Any pub is good pub right thug U.
 
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Funny another character issue kid just committed to the Iowa State basketball team. I don't hear anyone up in arms about that. At least the kids that are getting in trouble at Iowa seem to be decent kids in high school. The kids that the Iowa State basketball team are taking are known trouble makers or have character issues.
 
From Barta's statement:


"I am very confident in Kirk's approach to recruiting. I know he and his staff go to great lengths in trying to assess character when deciding whether to invite a young man to the UI. Like the vast majority of our peers, we don't do official criminal background checks.
"Recruiting quality student-athletes in all sports is of the utmost importance to me and our coaches. I am anxious to continue discussions with my peers in the state and in the Big Ten Conference and beyond on whether criminal background checks need to become a regular piece of our recruiting process. "Lastly, I continue to be impressed and pleased with the work of the overwhelming majority of our football student-athletes in their athletics competition, in the classroom, and as representatives of the University of Iowa on a daily basis."

What's missing here? He talks a lot about how their recruiting process adheres to the minimum standards, and then jumps to the student-athletes' responsibilities. What about internal controls? Who is in charge of them once they get on campus? They never seem to want to touch that one.
 
15 of the 18 were alcohol-related. That number is still too high, and I don't know how many were OWI. But that number makes it seem like we've got a bunch of thugs on the team, when that's not the case. We have a bunch of stupid college kids who like to party, apparently.
 
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