NIT this year,

[bawbie]

A year ago, the overwhelming consensus around here was that we could make the NCAAs, the NIT was a worse-case scenario. Then we ended up winning four conference games, and the wheels fell off the wagon. Don't get your hopes up.

Don't refuse to have hopes, just because last year was a disaster. You sound like the guy who's wife left him so he says never going to date again.

I know it's a message board, which for some reason attracts the most illogical people, but I don't understand why more people can't be rational about their expectations vs hopes. It is possible to hope this team makes it to the NIT without melting down after every loss. It is possible to dream about next years team making a run without wanting to fire Freddy if it doesn't happen. All you have to have is a little perspective.

 

[CycloneErik]

Did Fred say on media day that Jake has been the leader on the team and will run the point a lot with Diante at the off guard? I wonder what our starting line up will look like.

He did say that. It's going to be some interesting combinations, I imagine, since we're really only 9 deep (10 if Bubu has the skills to get out there).

 

[ajk4st8]

I think its crazy how people are counting on 2011 so much.

White, Allen will be great players.

Babb will be a nice roll player.

Booker hasnt done anything in college to this point.

Our recruits will really need to all be studs. We know how thats worked out in the past. We will need to find another all Big 12 player that isnt a transfer to even SNIFF the NCAAs with that talent.

 

[Mr Janny]

Don't refuse to have hopes, just because last year was a disaster. You sound like the guy who's wife left him so he says never going to date again.

I know it's a message board, which for some reason attracts the most illogical people, but I don't understand why more people can't be rational about their expectations vs hopes. It is possible to hope this team makes it to the NIT without melting down after every loss. It is possible to dream about next years team making a run without wanting to fire Freddy if it doesn't happen. All you have to have is a little perspective.

While it is possible for some to have high hopes but still react rationally in the face of disappointment, there are many, many fans who are unable to do this. They ride the roller coaster. Look at the reactions to the football season this year. When we win, we're on top of the world and the coaches are geniuses. When we lose, we're terrible and the coaches are worthless. And while you may be able to have high hopes and still keep an even keel if/when things don't work out, that's not the case with a lot of other folks, who declare that the ship is sinking, the moment it starts to take on a little water. It's those people who need to temper their expectations, because they can't handle the ups and downs.

 

[GeneralHouston]

How could anyone hate on ISU? Makes no sense.

With all due respect, that is one of the silliest things I have ever seen written on CycloneFanatic.com, which is saying quite a bit.

How does having realistic expectations for our basketball team, with three returning players and a brand new coaching staff equate to hating on ISU?

Your post reminds me of some of the people who were on here after CFH was hired writing that anyone who had any doubts about how great of a hire it was and how great of a head coach Hoiberg would be weren't true Cyclone fans. Just plain silliness.

Dude, did you actually read what those two wrote? I am embarrassed for you.


"Especially because "that guy" is usually "the guy" who is the first to jump on the hate-wagon if things don't go right."


followed by:


"How could anyone hate on ISU? Makes no sense."


Let me help you with this:

Split was apparently worried that a Cyclone fan's overly optimisitc feelings about MBB would lead him to be the first to jump off if things go bad.

WhoISthis responded by calling him out for telling him to moderate his excitement and for basicallly calling him a bandwagon fan.

 

[GeneralHouston]

While it is possible for some to have high hopes but still react rationally in the face of disappointment, there are many, many fans who are unable to do this. They ride the roller coaster. Look at the reactions to the football season this year. When we win, we're on top of the world and the coaches are geniuses. When we lose, we're terrible and the coaches are worthless. And while you may be able to have high hopes and still keep an even keel if/when things don't work out, that's not the case with a lot of other folks, who declare that the ship is sinking, the moment it starts to take on a little water. It's those people who need to temper their expectations, because they can't handle the ups and downs.

So we are to assume every fan is bi-polar? No wonder ISU does not have many fans...to be in the fanbase your expectations and excitement must pass the vote of the Grumpy Old Fan Club. It is not like this is decreasing the "down", they are just spreading it out.

 

[Mr Janny]

So we are to assume every fan is bi-polar? No wonder ISU does not have many fans...to be in the fanbase your expectations and excitement must pass the vote of the Grumpy Old Fan Club. It is not like this is decreasing the "down", they are just spreading it out.

where did I say that every fan was like this? And where did I say that the ones that are, were not a part of the fanbase?

It's obvious from being a member of CF for nearly 5 years now, that a segment of the ISU fanbase is completely swayed by their passion both for good and ill. Their highs are really high, and their lows are really low. And that's great. That's passion. But, unfortunately, it leads to some going off the deep end when things don't work out. We should always anticipate success, but know that failure is not the end of the world, as it serves to help us when we try again. If thinking that puts me in the Grumpy old Fan Club, then I guess I don't have a problem with that.

 

[GeneralHouston]

where did I say that every fan was like this? And where did I say that the ones that are, were not a part of the fanbase?

It's obvious from being a member of CF for nearly 5 years now, that a segment of the ISU fanbase is completely swayed by their passion both for good and ill. Their highs are really high, and their lows are really low. And that's great. That's passion. But, unfortunately, it leads to some going off the deep end when things don't work out. We should always anticipate success, but know that failure is not the end of the world, as it serves to help us when we try again. If thinking that puts me in the Grumpy old Fan Club, then I guess I don't have a problem with that.

Where did I accuse you of saying any of those things?
Although you expressed "concern" for only a certain segment of fans, the degree of evangelicalism in your post makes its reach much broader.

 

[CycloneErik]

While it is possible for some to have high hopes but still react rationally in the face of disappointment, there are many, many fans who are unable to do this. They ride the roller coaster. Look at the reactions to the football season this year. When we win, we're on top of the world and the coaches are geniuses. When we lose, we're terrible and the coaches are worthless. And while you may be able to have high hopes and still keep an even keel if/when things don't work out, that's not the case with a lot of other folks, who declare that the ship is sinking, the moment it starts to take on a little water. It's those people who need to temper their expectations, because they can't handle the ups and downs.

Those people can't temper their expectations, either, so there isn't any point telling them to do so. They live the roller coaster.

 

[GeneralHouston]

Is the post a overly optimistic, or unrealistic to many? Yeah, probably. I do not have a problem or concern for fans being excited or having expectations that will likely not come to fruition.
If some of you actually cared to read the post, you would realize it appears to be nothing more than youthful excitement. The OP did not offer a definitive statement on what they expect. A lot of qualifiers like "would not be surprised" and "possibility". What the heck does "legit possibility" even mean? I know it does NOT mean expect.

Only on a Cyclone fan site would homerism be demonized to the point that people refuse to actually read the post. Perhaps it is because I did not grow up in Iowa, so I have not been neutered by years of the local media outlawing ISU fanaticism.

 

[Mr Janny]

Where did I accuse you of saying any of those things?

umm, did you not say? "So we are to assume every fan is bi-polar? No wonder ISU does not have many fans...to be in the fanbase your expectations and excitement must pass the vote of the Grumpy Old Fan Club."

Although you expressed "concern" for only a certain segment of fans, the degree of evangelicalism in your post makes its reach much broader.

I see, so my "degree of evangelicalism" is what led you to believe that I was speaking about all fans, despite the fact that actual words of my post made it quite clear that I was only speaking about a segment of the fanbase. Well how about that? Tell us more about this "degree of evangelicalism." How does it work? Does it cause all posts to mean the opposite of what was written, or just the ones that you choose?:twitcy:

 

[Mr Janny]

Is the post a overly optimistic, or unrealistic to many? Yeah, probably. I do not have a problem or concern for fans being excited or having expectations that will likely not come to fruition.
If some of you actually cared to read the post, you would realize it appears to be nothing more than youthful excitement. The OP did not offer a definitive statement on what they expect. A lot of qualifiers like "would not be surprised" and "possibility". What the heck does "legit possibility" even mean? I know it does NOT mean expect.

Only on a Cyclone fan site would homerism be demonized to the point that people refuse to actually read the post. Perhaps it is because I did not grow up in Iowa, so I have not been neutered by years of the local media outlawing ISU fanaticism.

I don't know. What's the "degree of evangelicalism" in this post? We need to find that out before we can make a determination as to whether we should believe the words that you've written.

 

[BBHMagic]

I think its very hard to have expectations that high or any expectations at all. How do you know what to expect from a coach that has never coached and players that, for the most part, have never played? I'm just going to settle on being ecstatic that the direction of our program seems to finally be going in the right direction. Don't really worry about this year. Its year one of many to come.

 

[CYVADER]

i just hope we can get back to the tourny next year. that would be something. elite 8? i would be more surprised by that then if i woke up with my head sewn to the carpet.

 

[mcblogerson]

I think our preconference cake walk will give us hope for success, only to be left with about 3 wins in conference.

Next year, if all our transfers show up, and a couple of the fresh this year are good, we could make the NIT.

 

[bawbie]

I think its very hard to have expectations that high or any expectations at all. How do you know what to expect from a coach that has never coached and players that, for the most part, have never played? I'm just going to settle on being ecstatic that the direction of our program seems to finally be going in the right direction. Don't really worry about this year. Its year one of many to come.

I think you are confusing hopes and expectations. They are completely different things. That seems to be a widespread issue in the online fan base.

 

[GeneralHouston]

umm, did you not say? "So we are to assume every fan is bi-polar? No wonder ISU does not have many fans...to be in the fanbase your expectations and excitement must pass the vote of the Grumpy Old Fan Club."

:SLEEP:So predictable- I knew you were going to use this as your rebuttal.
It is called hyperbole and is common on message boards. As a moderator you should probably learn to decipher it.
Not too mention it is nowhere near suggesting you said everyone.

I see, so my "degree of evangelicalism" is what led you to believe that I was speaking about all fans, despite the fact that actual words of my post made it quite clear that I was only speaking about a segment of the fanbase. Well how about that? Tell us more about this "degree of evangelicalism." How does it work? Does it cause all posts to mean the opposite of what was written, or just the ones that you choose?:twitcy:

I was fairly explicit that your intent was not to incriminate all fans. However, to answer your questions, intent never exonerates the writer of any post.

 

[GeneralHouston]

I don't know. What's the "degree of evangelicalism" in this post? We need to find that out before we can make a determination as to whether we should believe the words that you've written.

I agree. For efficiency, it is a call most make for themselves. PM me if you need help.

 

[jsb]

I don't think your assumption is wise at all. Why go in that defeated already?

Our guard play with Diante, Jake, and Scott alone should make us better than 2009-2010 Iowa. That was a team that struggled in every way possible.

I still think .500 is the goal this year, and makes a successful year.

I'm very excited for this year, but I am realistic. And I think someone saying that we will go to the NIT this year and the Elite 8 next year is seriously setting themselves up for disappointment. Now, if that disappointment doesn't manifest itself into a big, huge meltdown on the internet that's fine. But we all know it will.

We will lose plenty of games this year. I think this team will be fun to watch though and I plan on being in my seat at Hilton for every game.

 

[Skyh13]

I think everyone would be wise to think that we are going to be bad----2009-2010 Iowa bad. Just get that in your head.

It is going to be annoying when we lose to a team that is better than us (I think Creighton and UNI are both better teams) and you all lose your ****.

I think that brighter days are ahead, but let's not saddle Hoiberg with unrealistic expectations just because we've been bad for 4 years. The last 4 years weren't his fault.

Agreed. Pretty much have to assume we'll be much worse than even last year, considering we have the brand new staff, and practically an entirely brand new team. I refuse to place some ridiculous expectations on this group. Anything better than dead last in the Big XII is an accomplishment. (DISCLAIMER: This in no way means I want or will enjoy seeing the team do so poorly, if that is the case.)