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CloneINOregon said:
So its a good thing were dead last in the big 12 in recruiting and not even in the top 50?

And save yourself the rivals.com against ISU conspiracy garbage thats sure to come.

yaman get off your tractor you toothless hick, and realize that recruiting kids with offers from UTEP, means three years down the road you can expect ISU to look and play a lot like those type of schools.

I'm amazed at the ignorance of some people on here...
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Also how is ND with all their top recruiting classes? Who would likely win in a contest with us and ND? I would take Paul Rhoads in that matchup.
 
Let's just use Iowa as an example, since they've done so well developing their team this decade. If you look at the heart of the team in 2002, the beginning of their upswing, what type of players did they have? Bob Sanders was a three star guy. Dallas Clark was a two or three star guy. Same goes with Brad Banks. You've got to start with the under-the-radar kids, coach them up, WIN GAMES with them, and THEN you can expect the higher caliber rated kids to look our way. Right now, there's no reason for a highly touted recruit to come to Iowa State, unless they're ONLY interested in immediate playing time.
 
I know everything about recruiting because I have an internet connection.
 
CyPride said:
I'd guess that 70%+ of UT's roster is from CA.
I'd guess that following that, UT is next for their recruiting base.
3rd would be Texas.
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They have a better athletic site than we do. We could fix ours to be more up to date.

The Official Athletic Site of the University of Utah

47 from, Utah including 10 from Salt Lake City, three from Mich, one from Connecticut, three from Hawaii, three from Arizona, one from Nevada, one from Washington, one from Florida 15 from Texas, and 25 from California. Looks like local boys from Salt Lake City are 15% of their team. Maybe we need to recruit SLC.
 
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InCytful said:
KU under the big man always had a bunch of 3 star guys that played some good ball. Coach Mac made some pretty good players out of non-recruited guys, and so will CPR. If we could sneak in a couple of 4 star guys at skill positions, I'd be good with it. It'll be interesting to see where we end up after signing season.
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The big man also had two great in state qbs.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
Let's just use Iowa as an example, since they've done so well developing their team this decade. If you look at the heart of the team in 2002, the beginning of their upswing, what type of players did they have? Bob Sanders was a three star guy. Dallas Clark was a two or three star guy. Same goes with Brad Banks. You've got to start with the under-the-radar kids, coach them up, WIN GAMES with them, and THEN you can expect the higher caliber rated kids to look our way. Right now, there's no reason for a highly touted recruit to come to Iowa State, unless they're ONLY interested in immediate playing time.
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If we could turn them all into Jesse Smiths, we would be fine.
 
CloneINOregon said:
So its a good thing were dead last in the big 12 in recruiting and not even in the top 50?

And save yourself the rivals.com against ISU conspiracy garbage thats sure to come.

yaman get off your tractor you toothless hick, and realize that recruiting kids with offers from UTEP, means three years down the road you can expect ISU to look and play a lot like those type of schools.

I'm amazed at the ignorance of some people on here...
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Have you ever thought that maybe the reason UTEP is one of the only schools listed is they are trying to offer early and hoping to reach on someone they wouldn't normally get? You probably just think all offers are given on the same day by any school that wants them and these are the only offers they'll get the whole recruiting process.
 
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I don't see why everyone is so concerned about who CPR and his staff are recruiting. If the guys that are committed are worthless then they will all loose their high paying jobs in short order. As an accountant I like to see the big stars as much as anyone, but I also realize that all the TX, OU, and NU recruits are not going to change to ISU because of a 2 minute video about how proud CPR is to be the ISU coach. As an accountant I also realize I don't know crap about recruiting football players.

My thought is that the 13 guys that have committed are guys that have talent or size or speed and they are slightly under the radar because they are on bad teams, or maybe they are on a good team but there are high star players on the same team that are getting all the attention. At this point it looks like the strategy is to get guys that can help build the program that will come to ISU. There is very little since in ISU offering and pursuing every 4 and 5 star player, only to get turned down. This is a waste of recruiting time and money. This also get CPR into a situation that Dan Mc. always had. Mac would always have 10 recruits committed the week before signing day and be out chasing 12 highly rated players. When he couldn't get the highly rated guys then he would have to fall back to plan C players, because all the plan B guys were going elsewhere. Basically fighting with UNI for recruits. CPR looks to be getting the plan B guys committed now and going after less plan A guys with a hope that there are no plan C players.
 
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Here's the bottom line - we as fans can continue to whine about how recruiting sucks, but it's not going to improve until CPR proves that he can win 8+ games by developing lesser and/or underrated talent. Odds are we're never gonna get large numbers of 5-star/ESPN 150 recruits to come to Ames, and until CPR proves he's a winner he's not going to get the next tier, either. Last year was great, and the Nebraska locker room speech put CPR on the map. But alas none of that will be enough if he doesn't win here continuously.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
Let's just use Iowa as an example, since they've done so well developing their team this decade. If you look at the heart of the team in 2002, the beginning of their upswing, what type of players did they have? Bob Sanders was a three star guy. Dallas Clark was a two or three star guy. Same goes with Brad Banks. You've got to start with the under-the-radar kids, coach them up, WIN GAMES with them, and THEN you can expect the higher caliber rated kids to look our way. Right now, there's no reason for a highly touted recruit to come to Iowa State, unless they're ONLY interested in immediate playing time.
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The other thing about the recent Iowa classes is that several of the highly rated guys in these classes were the ones that made headlines off the field because they lacked character, while the less "talented" players developed into stars.
 
cyrocksmypants said:
Let's just use Iowa as an example, since they've done so well developing their team this decade. If you look at the heart of the team in 2002, the beginning of their upswing, what type of players did they have? Bob Sanders was a three star guy. Dallas Clark was a two or three star guy. Same goes with Brad Banks. You've got to start with the under-the-radar kids, coach them up, WIN GAMES with them, and THEN you can expect the higher caliber rated kids to look our way. Right now, there's no reason for a highly touted recruit to come to Iowa State, unless they're ONLY interested in immediate playing time.
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You are giving the Iowa players you have selected as your example too much star power.

Sanders was 2 star, with the only other offer from Ohio.

Dallas Clark was a walk on, and walked on the last year of the Fry era.

Brad Banks was a Juco player, and those stars do not matter. No one wanted him at QB, the teams that were recruiting him wanted him as an athlete.

Not to nitpick or anything...... :)
 
UNIGuy4Cy said:
Also how is ND with all their top recruiting classes? Who would likely win in a contest with us and ND? I would take Paul Rhoads in that matchup.
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Really? I think Brian Kelly has a good track record of winning as a head coach. He may not have ND great this year but I would expect he will have them winning during his time there.
 
CloneINOregon said:
So its a good thing were dead last in the big 12 in recruiting and not even in the top 50?

And save yourself the rivals.com against ISU conspiracy garbage thats sure to come.

yaman get off your tractor you toothless hick, and realize that recruiting kids with offers from UTEP, means three years down the road you can expect ISU to look and play a lot like those type of schools.

I'm amazed at the ignorance of some people on here...
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I asked you this the last time you freaked out about our recruiting and I'll ask it again.

What magical 4 and 5 star kids should ISU be offering? What players should we be going after so that our recruiting can live up to your standards? What are the big selling points for CPR and staff to bring in this awesome talent? Do you think some other staff would magically have all the answers and be able to bring in much better talent?


Right now, CPR and staff are rebuilding from the ground up. It should be obvious to most, but that takes more than one season. When the staff was asked about things they liked about last years class, they said it was speed. They recruited guys with actual speed. Multiple coaches (Wally in particular) have also talked about recruiting speed and building size. I am seeing the same types of athletes in this year’s class as I saw in last years.

It may take a couple of years to build the talent level in the program, but it needs to be done. We had a couple years where more than half the classes either didn’t show up or didn’t stick around. That leads to a major rebuilding effort like this one.

Funny how Negative Nancy’s like you explode out of the woodwork every time we have a bad loss. All of a sudden the ship is sinking and we will never win another game. Fire the coaches because they haven't brought in elite talent yet.

Chizik brought in SOME decent talent, but he also had a lot of misses and JuCos that left the program where it is now and a lot of the talent that panned out was 2 and 3 star talent. If, after 3 years with the same freaking coach, the talent level is still as low as it is right now, then you can freak out all you want.
 
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JUKEBOX said:
At ISU, it's more about developing players rather than being able to grab a bunch of top notch talent. (Although you need talent at a lot of skill positions.)
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This is absolutely true. Like Iowa, ISU is a developmental school. The key to that is to recruit players who have a lot of upside with their development. A lot of our of our classes never reached the top 50 but many of the players that were recruited ended up as special players. You have a very good coach and that tells me, maybe they are spotting talent that fits their plans. Only time will tell
 
CyPride said:
You are giving the Iowa players you have selected as your example too much star power.

Sanders was 2 star, with the only other offer from Ohio.

Dallas Clark was a walk on, and walked on the last year of the Fry era.

Brad Banks was a Juco player, and those stars do not matter. No one wanted him at QB, the teams that were recruiting him wanted him as an athlete.

Not to nitpick or anything...... :)
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Dallas did walk on then but it was KF who moved him to TE. He resisted because he wanted to play LB. IF he would have stayed there by his own admission, he would have never even cracked the two deep. Developing players is huge but some times the key is getting them to the position where they can bloom.
 
A couple of points that I'd like to give my 2cents on......

*Yes our talent (due to poor recruiting) is a mess. We just can't compete with good teams with the talent that we have. We're very small AND slow in our defensive front 7, and you'll never have a good D if that's the case. Our DB's are a little better, but below average for BCS team. Our OL is average. Our WR's below average.

*Unless we can start competing with Iowa for in-state talent, we'll never be able to dramatically improve our talent level, IMO. We can't do it with just out of state recruits because there are just too many other teams trying to get the same players. If you're from Texas, why would you go to ISU over KU, K-state or Mizzou? Playing time maybe, but we want the athletes that are confident enough in their abilities that they aren't scared of the competition at schools such as Mizzou, etc.

*Schools like Iowa, Nebraska, etc may not have a bunch of 5 star athletes, but they're ranked much higher than most here would give them credit for. Take Iowa for instance, they are in the top 30 every year in recruiting and some years higher. Add in some very impressive development and you're looking at a team that can compete with top 20 teams week in and week out and rarely get beat by more than 1 TD.

*Also, as others have pointed out, it's not stars that matter much anyway. I don't care what our star rankings are, but you do need to recruit players that have offers from other BCS schools. If you're taking more than 5 or 6 players each year that have no other or maybe just one other BCS offer, you're taking too many reaches, IMO. Almost every recruit we get should have at least 3-4 other BCS offers. I know we're not going to get many guys with OU or UT offers, but we need to get some guys with A&M, Okie State, Mizzou offers.
 
CyPride said:
You are giving the Iowa players you have selected as your example too much star power.

Sanders was 2 star, with the only other offer from Ohio.

Dallas Clark was a walk on, and walked on the last year of the Fry era.

Brad Banks was a Juco player, and those stars do not matter. No one wanted him at QB, the teams that were recruiting him wanted him as an athlete.

Not to nitpick or anything...... :)
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Really, that just proves my point even more. Key players were not highly touted, but were developed and coached up.
 
acgclone said:
A couple of points that I'd like to give my 2cents on......

*Unless we can start competing with Iowa for in-state talent, we'll never be able to dramatically improve our talent level, IMO. We can't do it with just out of state recruits because there are just too many other teams trying to get the same players. If you're from Texas, why would you go to ISU over KU, K-state or Mizzou? Playing time maybe, but we want the athletes that are confident enough in their abilities that they aren't scared of the competition at schools such as Mizzou, etc.

*Schools like Iowa, Nebraska, etc may not have a bunch of 5 star athletes, but they're ranked much higher than most here would give them credit for. Take Iowa for instance, they are in the top 30 every year in recruiting and some years higher. Add in some very impressive development and you're looking at a team that can compete with top 20 teams week in and week out and rarely get beat by more than 1 TD.

*Also, as others have pointed out, it's not stars that matter much anyway. I don't care what our star rankings are, but you do need to recruit players that have offers from other BCS schools. If you're taking more than 5 or 6 players each year that have no other or maybe just one other BCS offer, you're taking too many reaches, IMO. Almost every recruit we get should have at least 3-4 other BCS offers. I know we're not going to get many guys with OU or UT offers, but we need to get some guys with A&M, Okie State, Mizzou offers.
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Again, Ferentz didn't just walk in and immediately have top 30 classes in recruiting. Even if you hate him, everyone has to admit that the one thing dude is excellent at is developing talent. He did that, won games and better players started looking at the program. Too many of our fans expect CPR to do in his second season what it took KF to do in five.

Second, I disagree about our coaches having to go after players with BCS offers. Our coaches will go with who they think will fit our system. Why would they go after a quarterback offered by Wisconsin when we run two different offenses? Just because Wisconsin offered? Ask Ryan Mallett how well a highly recruited player works in a system that doesn't fit them (while he was at Michigan). If our coaches are going after people and judging them by other BCS offers, then I don't trust their recruiting abilities. They'd be reactionary toward what other schools are doing, and a team with our history needs to be proactive, not reactive. If we came into the picture AFTER a team like A&M offered, that kid is probably going to A&M, not ISU.
 
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CyPride said:
You are giving the Iowa players you have selected as your example too much star power.

Sanders was 2 star, with the only other offer from Ohio.

Dallas Clark was a walk on, and walked on the last year of the Fry era.

Brad Banks was a Juco player, and those stars do not matter. No one wanted him at QB, the teams that were recruiting him wanted him as an athlete.

Not to nitpick or anything...... :)
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I thought Sanders actually made it onto campus at Michigan and had grade/discipline problems? Am I totally off base or thinking of someone else?
 
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