And you think the Penn St fans are wise for continually thinking they have a better team than Hawkeyes? Riiight
Iowa State Vs. Iowa
- Thread starter HerkyKiller
- Start date
And you think the Penn St fans are wise for continually thinking they have a better team than Hawkeyes? Riiight
Stanzi may have some competition for pick sixes this year with Scott Tolzein on the board with 1
LOL! Are you kidding? You think that was a protypical play?
Clayborn got caught jumping ... and he reset himself back and then was slow off the line as a result. That happened pretty much only ONE TIME!
You just stated the exception and treated it as though it were the rule. Come on now ... surely you can do better!
What???
If you look at proven production, Iowa has every bit as much proven production among the pass-catchers as ISU.
I agree that ISU is very nicely deep. Darks, Sed Johnson, Money, Williams, and Franklin definitely give Arnaud a ton of quality targets to distribute the ball to.
However, if you actually look at the bottom line of production through their career ... Iowa's group of DJK, McNutt, Sandeman, Chaney Jr, and Reisner have put up pretty nice numbers. Furthermore, just as ISU fans seem to have plenty of FAITH in Money being money, despite the fact that he's not yet all that proven on the D1 level .... Iowa fans are similarly optimistic about the upside of Keenan Davis. Furthermore, from what Brad Herman demonstrated Saturday ... he seems like a TE who has plenty of potential too. Many overly homerish Hawk fans would probably gush about Fiedorowicz too ... however, he'll need to prove himself more in the blocking game before he truly becomes a legit weapon for the Hawks.
As many folks have pointed out ... BOTH Iowa and ISU were able to keep things pretty close to the vest on O.
One key difference is that Iowa seemed to work a bit more on areas that needed further development. Iowa worked on having Stanzi go to his check down options. Furthermore, there was a strong emphasis placed on run-blocking and the passing game to the TEs. The fact that Iowa's WRs were rather "quiet" in the game was glaringly intentional. When an area is already a team strength, you don't need to work on it as much.
In contrast, from watching the Cyclone game, they really did stick a lot more to their strengths. Of course, a bit more emphasis did seem to get placed on improving the passing game. I was impressed with Arnaud's ability to distribute the ball around. However, he also continued to make some of the same mistakes he had made in the past too. In his defense, NIU featured a pretty good D too.
homer
do you have any concern that the EIU was able to get pressure on Stanzi? I was suprised with the sack and the pressure that was applied to Stanzi. I am not sure it is a big deal but a bit suprising.
jmb -
That was on a corner blitz. The issue there was simply recognition. I frankly put that one on Stanzi, he should have seen it and made the requisite adjustment. Usually he recognizes it and simply moves the RB over to that side in order to pick it up.
Stanzi will see it on film and kick himself. Fortunately for the Hawks, most of the heat that was brought on the interior was picked up by the OL or RB. Often the Hawks have problems with the interior stuff ... so that was actually heartening.
Also, for the record, I'd like give Eastern Illinois props for how hard they played. They're certainly not in the same caliber as Northern Illinois ... however, they really did play like a well coached team. They fought hard and they didn't give up. They were WAY overmatched, but they gave Iowa their best punch.
I really wouldn't be surprised if EIU ends up contending again to win their conference. Of course, in all honesty, the Ohio Valley Conference is much weaker in my estimation than UNI's conference.
Iowa State benefitted a lot more by playing a higher quality initial foe. I expect that the immediate beneficiary of that is the ISU D. The ISU O also benefitted from generated some quality tape to learn from ... however, the flip side of that is that they may not have gotten to experiment enough to address particular shortcomings.
I really wouldn't be surprised if EIU ends up contending again to win their conference. Of course, in all honesty, the Ohio Valley Conference is much weaker in my estimation than UNI's conference.
Iowa State benefitted a lot more by playing a higher quality initial foe. I expect that the immediate beneficiary of that is the ISU D. The ISU O also benefitted from generated some quality tape to learn from ... however, the flip side of that is that they may not have gotten to experiment enough to address particular shortcomings.
the size difference was profound. looking at the lines there was an amazing difference. I suspect the 1 and 2 teams get better test in practice, although being out in front of the fans, etc is a great experience.
Dont you think ISU is going to play hard? Since CPR has taken over ISU has been a physical team, much more physical than EI was. The one think ISU got out of their game that Iowa didnt was go to plays in the heat of the battle. There were also issues that need to be addressed. From what I say of the Iowa game they have very little known issues, but some of those will come out vs ISU. ISU forcing Iowa into mistakes and playing smarter than Iowa is going to be a key to the game. The only real big edge Iowa has is their Dline. Yes they are a better team on paper all over the field but a good game plan can overcome some, if not most of that. The ISU D has came a long way since the last ISU-Iowa game, they have been forcing turnovers and that doesnt fair good with Stansiss as your QB. If ISU can get pressure on him it could keep ISU in this game.
Iowa has seen a game or two in the heat of battle. I keep reading that its going to be so easy to force stanzi into mistakes and stanzi is not a good QB. I guess being 19-4 and know as one of the most clutch QB's in the nation means your easy to rattle.
They have been in the heat of battle this season? A 20 some point win is the heat of battle? How many pick 6s did Stanzi throw last year? How many INTs? Yes the guy wins but he does make mistakes, there is no way you can deny that.
I love how Stanzi is all of a sudden some true freshman type that you can rattle easily.
Have any of you even watched Stanzi play? Most, if not all of his pick six's were not under pressure, they were just dumb throws he made on his own, especially on out routes. He didn't have defenders blitzing him or in his face.
Every time he does face pressure, he plays bigger than ever. This is a guy who has played against multiple Top 5 teams on ABC in prime time. He has played in the Orange Bowl, Outback Bowl, won games in the last two minutes when down, and come back from horrible mistakes.
All of a sudden you think you are going to rattle him? The guy is a battle tested Senior with a record of 19-4 as a starter. LOL.
Have any of you even watched Stanzi play? Most, if not all of his pick six's were not under pressure, they were just dumb throws he made on his own, especially on out routes. He didn't have defenders blitzing him or in his face.
Every time he does face pressure, he plays bigger than ever. This is a guy who has played against multiple Top 5 teams on ABC in prime time. He has played in the Orange Bowl, Outback Bowl, won games in the last two minutes when down, and come back from horrible mistakes.
All of a sudden you think you are going to rattle him? The guy is a battle tested Senior with a record of 19-4 as a starter. LOL.
Without a doubt, I expect ISU to fight/play hard. Furthermore, just as you indicated, I highlighted the fact that ISU faced a stiffer initial challenge ... that certainly works to ISU's benefit.
However, fortunately for Iowa fans, Iowa returns A LOT of players who played in games last year. Thus, it's not like the Hawk players aren't a battle tested group. The bigger issue is the ability of a squad to knock off rust, get back up to game speed, and be able to learn from their errors from game one. I initially worried that the EIU game would be even more of a laugher. Fortunately, I think that EIU ended up giving Iowa a great test. I think that the Hawks ended up generating a good amount of film that they'll be able to improve upon.
Also, another thing I REALLY like is that ISU played really solidly in their opener. Iowa really seems to have a bad track record of underestimating the Cyclones when the 'Clones play poorly in their opener. I think that part of it has to deal with the fact that the 'Clone squad that they see in film is A LOT different than the 'Clone squad that they end up facing in the game. Fortunately for BOTH Hawk and Cyclone fans, the ISU squad gave the Hawks plenty of game-film to be concerned about.
I expect that the Hawkeyes will enter the ISU game with a great focus and not underestimate the Cyclones. And, as a result, we're going to see BOTH squads playing at a high level ... and they'll duke it out to the finish. Let the best squad prevail!
Just for that, he's going to call up coach fairentz and tell him that Stanzi's going 1 on 11 this Saturday. That'll put you and your clone teams in your proper place!
:biglaugh:
How is this relevant? Is Stanzi a team?
In addition, you're assuming that Stanzi is going undefeated this year. Good luck with that.
Last edited:
Of course it was more than just Stanzi winning those games. And yes, we have our defense to thank for a lot of the wins during that 19-4 stretch. Still, QB's are judged by wins and losses probably more than any other stat. I keep hearing from Clones that Iowa has won despite Stanzi, not because of him. If it was as simple as saying Iowa's defense should get all the credit during that stretch, why didn't we see similar results during Christensen's time at QB. He made less mistakes than Stanzi did after all.
One reason is because Stanzi led the Big Ten in big plays last year(plays over 30 yards). Yes, he has been prone to mistakes as well. But the best thing about Stanzi is he isn't affected by those mistakes. Which is why he had the best stats in Big Ten in the 4th quarter last year. Winners deliver in clutch time.