BYU and the Big 12

You might run that by Northwestern...The Big Ten may share it's TV revenue equally, but as far as athletic budgets go, it is not a conference of equality...

Who sets a school's athletic budget? Is it the school or the conference? Or is it the school, but based off of revenues?

I honestly don't keep track of how conferences are run. All I've really ever learned is how the revenue is shared (TV and bowl game).
 
Who sets a school's athletic budget? Is it the school or the conference? Or is it the school, but based off of revenues?

I honestly don't keep track of how conferences are run. All I've really ever learned is how the revenue is shared (TV and bowl game).

The schools set their budgets based on how much revenue they can generate via donations, marketing, conference revenue distribution, etc. NW's budget is about $49 million. OhSU's budget is about $120 million. The Big Ten is reported to pay out about $20 million per school.
 
The schools set their budgets based on how much revenue they can generate via donations, marketing, conference revenue distribution, etc. NW's budget is about $49 million. OhSU's budget is about $120 million. The Big Ten is reported to pay out about $20 million per school.

I don't know if that $20 million figure includes football gate receipts. Don't forget that all Big Ten schools give 35% of their home game ticket revenue back to the conference, which then distributes the total amount back to conference members in 11 equal shares.
So, schools like NW, Indiana, Purdue have a lot to be thankful for.
 
So, schools like NW, Indiana, Purdue have a lot to be thankful for.

Don't forget Illinois. It surprises the hec out of me, but their budget is only about $56,000,000 according to the EADA website, for 10th place in the Big Ten (pre NU). Unless they are somehow hiding revenue from that report...

I've got Illinois on my extreme fantasy list of poaching candidates for the Big 12...
 
Don't forget Illinois. It surprises the hec out of me, but their budget is only about $56,000,000 according to the EADA website, for 10th place in the Big Ten (pre NU). Unless they are somehow hiding revenue from that report...

I've got Illinois on my extreme fantasy list of poaching candidates for the Big 12...

It's Illinois. Considering how the city of Chicago is run, it really wouldn't surprise me if other groups with the state are run the same way... :smile:
 
It's Illinois. Considering how the city of Chicago is run, it really wouldn't surprise me if other groups with the state are run the same way... :smile:

Yeah, something's up at Illinois. They just spent $121 mil to renovate the football stadium, they're set to spend $100 mil to rebuild Assembly Hall starting next spring, and also will build a new 4,000 seat arena for VB, wrestling, etc.
Something just doesn't match up...
 
Mid-life crisis...leave the tried and sure for the wild side. Maybe it's time to change pimps (UT instead of OSU)...

Exactly. Some people don't think things thru the whole way. How about you give me 2 billion dollars and I give you a hug! That would be so awesome!

Anywho I think the BYU thing is intriguing. Would be a great get I think if we could. But I dont see them adding just one team. And unless Jerry Jones steps in to persuade Arkansas to jump from the SEC, I don't see another suitor that can make the money work.
 
Mid-life crisis...leave the tried and sure for the wild side. Maybe it's time to change pimps (UT instead of OSU)...
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At the rate things are going between the WAC and MWC... if the Big 12 wants teams out of those conferences, they better jump in quickly.
 
Are you for real? ISU's budget would be a lot smaller if we weren't in the Big 12. The fact that BYU has been a consistent top 25 team without ever being in a major conference says something. Actually I know people in several cities who are BYU and Utah Jazz fans, the reason is pretty obvious and it's been touched on by others.

Do you think ISU would be relevant AT ALL if we'd been in Conference USA or something similar for the last 2-3 decades?

Look I'm agreeing with you on AFA, but if I were in charge I'd have reached out to BYU years ago. Especially given the idea that the Pac Ten wanted Utah but not BYU. Of all the non-BCS non-ND schools they were by far the two that deserved BCS status in every way.
 
What positives does Boise State bring? A football program that plays 1, maybe 2 decent teams per year. The rest of their athletics are ******. Their academics place them just above a JuCo. They're in the middle of ******* nowhere in regards to everyone else.

Not to mention we'd have to play on that damn smurf turf.

and in regards to the above, BYU has about as much of a national following as Iowa State. I have yet to see anything that says they have a huge following that isn't Iowa State fans trying to bend things in a light so that it makes sense. They aren't Ohio State, Florida, Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, etc.


You are wrong.... BYU adds on average 15% of gate receipts wherever they play and sometimes more (they travel well, check the attendance at the OU game last year in Dallas).... They have a Stadium that seats 64,000 and fill it for virtually every game.... They also have the ability to expand another 25,000 seats and will probably do so in the near future (particularly if they should end up being part to one of the Big 6 Conferences).... Their facilities are outstanding and rival the best in the nation...

Their big hang up is that they won't play on Sundays whch may or may not hamper scheduling.... They also share a market with the U of Utah, but they probably have a greater following....

One of the nice things about adding BYU is that they are fairly strong in most every sport (B-Ball and Football especially) and they recruit well in the West (particularly Cali) which could prove to be a good way to kick the PAC 10 for their poaching attempts.... They also carry a very strong name in Cali with the fan base there.

This is just one person's opinion, but if BYU's quest for Independence takes off and does well, the Big 12 might not be the best suiters out there in a year or two...

And, as far as revenue contribution, they are by far the largest contributers to the MWC which is the primary reason that they are looking at Independence....

By contract, BYU has to submit it's intention on what it is going to do for 2011 to the MWC Officials by September 1.... So the Big 12's window of opportunity to grab BYU may be closing.... If the Big 12 passes, they may well be sorry in a year or two....

Oh, andif you haven't seen BYU shirts and fan parafanailia, you either haven't been looking or you haven't been in the right spot because they sell a ton of it... I live in Texas right now for part of the year and in Oregon for the other pasrt of the year and I see it everywhere.
 
How often do you walk down the street and see someone sporting BYU clothing? Roughly never. BYU's "national following" I'm beginning to think is a fallocy cooked up by Cyclone fans to justify adding them to the Big 12 (10). BYU isn't even CLOSE to the schools I mentioned in the last post.

And anyone that thinks ISU's history compares to BYU's is a moron. I never once said Iowa State has the history of BYU, but I still haven't seen someone that can show they have any kind of national following. Their budget is even smaller than ISU's.

Budget size is dictated by the need.... You also have to look at what is included in the budgets that you are comparing to make sure that you are comparing apples to apples.... BYU is more than capable of meeting its financial obligations....
 
Have to admit I'm not much of a fan of having BYU in the conference.
-Long travel distance
-Different time zone
-Can't have Big XII championships on Sunday
-Have to compete against older athletes

If the Pac-10 didn't want them, why should the Big XII.
he PAC 10 Ads and Coaches did want them years ago.... The Board of Regents make the decision though and they don't like Religious based schools.... BYU is specifically thought to be too conservative for them.....Lots of articles out on that very topic....
 
I am opposed to BYU mainly because I think they circumvent the rules by sending all their athletes on missions so their team is loaded with a bunch of guys in the mid-20s. A few years ago when Mariucci was the head coach of the 49ers his starting defense had an average age less than average age of BYU's defense. Think about that for a second.


You got to be kidding me.... Their missions last 2 years and not all their athletes go on one.... Ainge didn't go on one, McMahon didn't go on one, alot have not gone on one, but even if they did.... it's 2 years.... big wow.... College players are physically mature when they get to this level or they don't play anyway.
 
In the new Big 12 model, BYU could/would retain this TV network for themselves, so I don't understand how it increases the existing conference revenue that the other ten teams are getting now. Would they turn it into a Big 12 network?

These TV capabilities can't presently be generating that much revenue if their total athletic department revenue is only at $36,000,000. As I mentioned before, they may have a huge LDS following, but it doesn't appear to be translating to $$$.


The primary reason that they are looking to go independent is because they are hampered in their earning potential by a weak television contract.... And, the fact is that they currently contribute far more money to the MWC teams than they receive back from the others including Utah.... Throwing out Revenue numbers in this context makes no senseat all.... its an apples ot oranges comparison...
 

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