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Clones85' said:
Go look up any article on Drew. There are coaches that outwardly speak about their dislike for the way he recruits and goes about recruiting.
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So what? If Drew is doing something wrong, than those coaches who outwardly speak about their dislike for him should show some fortitutde and provide proof that he is doing something wrong, or they should just shut their mouths. Just because other coaches dislike what Drew is doing doesn't mean that he is paying players or otherwise cheating.

Clones85' said:
It's not out of the question to say somebody is cheating.
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You outright called Drew a cheater. Do you have proof, or don't you?

Clones85' said:
If Iowa State starts signing a top 10 player EVERY SINGLE year like Baylor has..... than YES I will think that Fred is doing something shady
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That figures...
 
jbhtexas said:
You outright called Drew a cheater. Do you have proof, or don't you?
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I think that Barry Bonds used steroids for sure. And so did Brady Anderson, and Luis Gonzalez, etc. Would you like to see MY proof on that? B/c I don't have any.

But I am also not blind. I see what Baylor was before and after Drew. I saw the caliber of players. Same goes for Brady Anderson. I saw how good he was before and after. I have read articles where other players say they know that Bonds used steroids. Do I have the needle he used? Nope. But I choose to believe it due to the fact the guy hit 70 some home runs in a season. So when coaches and other people question the way Baylor is getting players, I choose to agree and draw upon the conclusion that Scott Drew is not on the up and up
 
jahfg said:
Dana O'Neil: ESPN.com coaching survey on dirty college basketball recruiting - ESPN

Interesting article
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GREAT comment by a coach here.....

"If you snitch, you're Abar Rouse [the former Baylor assistant who taped the phone conversation with then-coach Dave Bliss and has since been ostracized from coaching]. That's why no one talks. Plus, how do you prove it? I know stuff. I know stuff that is 100 percent happening right now, but the NCAA wants proof. How can I prove it?"
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It's so true. People know whats going on and they talk. But do they have the stones to be a snitch? And if they do, do they have the proof in their hand? Anyone who doesn't think there is a huge issue about cheating going on in college athletics is flat out crazy.
 
jbhtexas said:
So what? If Drew is doing something wrong, than those coaches who outwardly speak about their dislike for him should show some fortitutde and provide proof that he is doing something wrong, or they should just shut their mouths. Just because other coaches dislike what Drew is doing doesn't mean that he is paying players or otherwise cheating.



You outright called Drew a cheater. Do you have proof, or don't you?



That figures...
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And I suppose you don't believe OJ Simpson is a murderer?
 
Clones85' said:
That, along with many other articles, and the fact that Baylor keeps signing more 5 star players than Kansas, isn't enough PROOF that some need in order to believe that Drew is not clean
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i'm not going to apologize. it's not enough proof for me. agree to disagree.
 
Count me as one of those who need to see some "proof" about Drew.
That being said, Rick Barnes is as classy as they come. If he is annoyed/bothered/angry about something, it perks up my ears...
 
Clones85' said:
That, along with many other articles, and the fact that Baylor keeps signing more 5 star players than Kansas, isn't enough PROOF that some need in order to believe that Drew is not clean
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Nope, you need video, audio, and first hand accounts. You are going to need to bug not only Drew's house, but the house of every recruit he may come in contact with. Then, once you have some evidence against him, you will need to approach him with that evidence until you get a sworn statement evidencing his guilt.
 
Clonefan32 said:
And I suppose you don't believe OJ Simpson is a murderer?
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right, because the circumstances are eerily similar between the 2.

blood, dna evidence, etc vs why would anyone choose baylor-it's baylor!

i can see how you could come to that comparison
 
Clonefan32 said:
Nope, you need video, audio, and first hand accounts. You are going to need to bug not only Drew's house, but the house of every recruit he may come in contact with. Then, once you have some evidence against him, you will need to approach him with that evidence until you get a sworn statement evidencing his guilt.
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exactly, i mean, that's how they caught cal and thuggins isn't it.
 
I think one of those coaches was Jim Boheim from that article. I have never heard anything bad about him. He seems like a good solid coach he does not cheet as much as others. basically in that article they all admitted that they probably break minor rules. Some of them without know it. I guess there are levels of cheating for these guys. Calipari is the Rick Flair of college basketball.
 
Regarding Baylor, posters need to be reminded that they are in close proximity to DFW and Houston, two of the top MBB recruiting areas in the country. Also should be noted that there are lots of Baptist mamas in Baylor's recruiting turf that want their sons to attend a Baptist school in a low-key place like Baylor. With the right coach, Baylor has the facilities and recruiting base to be good. There is no excuse for them not to be competitive, especially given that they recently won a national championship in WBB.

That said, it's no secret that some coaches have expressed displeasure with Drew's recruiting tactics, Barnes has done so publicly. Where there's smoke, there is usually fire but until Drew gets caught, you give him the benefit of the doubt. That's the way it is in college MBB recruiting.
 
The Drew defenders (and I'd like to welcome Scott Drew's brother, ISU BET, to the board) are wrong here, in my opinion. You say you need proof of something to find him guilty. This is ludicrous. A reasonable human mind is capable of drawing inferences from incomplete evidence. You must understand that, in the coaching profession, turning another coach in is almost as much of a sin as committing the same violation yourself.

So, in absence of another coach turning him in, here's the evidence: Drew has brought multiple McDonald's All-Americans to Baylor, a small baptist school with a poor basketball following and history. Meanwhile, several reports from multiple places have popped up saying he is engaging in dirty, unethical, and possibly illegal recruiting. And he's been confronted by Bob Knight, perhaps the icon in the game today, about his recruiting. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

I'm just not sure how a reasonable mind can look at this whole picture and declare that everything is clean down in Waco.
 
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kucyclone said:
The Drew defenders (and I'd like to welcome Scott Drew's brother, ISU BET, to the board) are wrong here, in my opinion. You say you need proof of something to find him guilty. This is ludicrous. A reasonable human mind is capable of drawing inferences from incomplete evidence. You must understand that, in the coaching profession, turning another coach in is almost as much of a sin as committing the same violation yourself.

So, in absence of another coach turning him in, here's the evidence: Drew has brought multiple McDonald's All-Americans to Baylor, a small baptist school with a poor basketball following and history. Meanwhile, several reports from multiple places have popped up saying he is engaging in dirty, unethical, and possibly illegal recruiting. And he's been confronted by Bob Knight, perhaps the icon in the game today, about his recruiting. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

I'm just not sure how a reasonable mind can look at this whole picture and declare that everything is clean down in Waco.
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Do you think one coach bad mouthing another program while recruting makes him dirty? I think Drew probably does a lot of this which really irritates other coaches, but doesn't really make him dirty. I also think a lot of this is jealousy from other coaches, if he was recruiting the same way but only landing one and two star recruits, you wouldn't hear coaches complaining near as much.
 
CyJack13 said:
Do you think one coach bad mouthing another program while recruting makes him dirty? I think Drew probably does a lot of this which really irritates other coaches, but doesn't really make him dirty. I also think a lot of this is jealousy from other coaches, if he was recruiting the same way but only landing one and two star recruits, you wouldn't hear coaches complaining near as much.
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You think Mack Brown and Bob Knight are jealous of him? They have been the two most outspoken figures in this, and they have no reason to be jealous of his recruiting "success." Self hates him too, and Self doesn't really have reason to be jealous.

I don't necessarily think bad-mouthing means that a coach is dirty, but when you look at all the evidence together, it's hard for me to see how anyone could say, "Drew is running a clean program down there."
 
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