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Listen to the coaches. They know the recruiting game. Payments may be made under the table and difficult to prove, but the coaching fraternity knows when it is happening. They recruit the same pool of players, so they know what is going down.

Just like the Kentucky scandal the coaches know who is dirty.
 
Clones85' said:
Scott Drew cheats. There is a reason that Bob Knight cornered him in a bathroom and chewed him out for the way he is recruiting.

All you have to do is think. What top 5 recruit would go to Baylor after everything that went on there this decade AND the fact that they have had no success in basketball until last year? He's getting players unethically.
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so i guess we have our proof. no logical person would ever go there to play. we must have cheated to get fizer, brackins, etc to come to ames as well. who cares if he is throwing other teams under the bus-it's recruiting-do whatever it takes to get a kid to your school.

i have yet to see any response with proof that they are cheating other then-"nobody would ever go there unless they were cheating"

if they get in trouble, i will gladly eat crow, but until then, i will assume he is just outrecruiting every other coach in the conference.

and i think bobby knight would get eaten alive in today's basketball climate-the guy's a legend and not taking what he has meant to the game away, but kids don't want to be taught about life lessons-they want to be taught how to make it to the league-they all think they are going to the nba and don't care about a backup plan.
 
jbhtexas said:
So, will Fred Hoiberg be a cheater if he gets good players to come to ISU? Why should any top recruit come to ISU given what has gone on in the MBB program over the last few years?

It would help your cause to post some actual evidence against Scott Drew, instead of using faulty logic to convict him.

Also, I like what you did with your avatar. People should use self-portraits for their avatar more often...
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You seriously wouldn't be a bit skeptical if within 3-4 years we were bringing in top 10 players nationally? I completely support Coach Hoiberg, but lets be honest, if we start regularly pulling McD AA's and top 10 kids nationally within the next few years, it raises a serious red flag. Kid's don't exactly grow up wanting to play for Iowa State (or Baylor for that matter), and neither of those schools come to mind when you think of top tier basketball programs or programs that consistantly puts kids in the NBA.

I'm not saying Baylor and Iowa State should never be able to pull top talent, but given the recent states of both programs it is highly unlikely kids are chomping at the bit to come to Ames or Waco without a bit of "coaxing".
 
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mt85 said:
Listen to the coaches. They know the recruiting game. Payments may be made under the table and difficult to prove, but the coaching fraternity knows when it is happening. They recruit the same pool of players, so they know what is going down.

Just like the Kentucky scandal the coaches know who is dirty.
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Listen to the coaches? That's like when Cowherd tells a caller to "ask any player" when trying to hammer his point. We don't exactly have access to coaches and players, guys.
 
Should we be skeptical of Tennessee for bringing in talent all of a sudden? how about ohio state? kansas state? florida when they were winning championships? butler? gonzaga? these teams didn't have a ton of tradition, then they got new coaches, and all of a sudden they are bringing in talent.
 
IcSyU said:
Ok, so you do believe Calipari, Thuggins, Self, etc. are clean. Ok, that's all we needed to know.
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There are levels of clean/dirty. Everyone has a different tolerance for "dirty" because you have to get a little dirty to recruit.
 
So why is it surprising that a team on the rise is attracting good players.
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Drew did it right from the start. He starting bringing in players to a program that could get no lower. Not 3 star kids who you build the program with. he started bringin in 4 and 5 star kids right away. How do you do that? How? What could you tell a 4 and 5 star kid about the situation they were coming into. Empty building, no fans support, no tradition, and yet these kids magically wanted to come play for Baylor? I am not buying it one bit. If you do then you are probably a fool.
How did we get Fizer? Yeah that is a great question. Not saying we cheated, however look at the coach that brought him in and now go back and look at that coaches track record. He did just get fired from USC for giving players money. Does that not make you skeptical.
 
IcSyU said:
Ok, so you do believe Calipari, Thuggins, Self, etc. are clean. Ok, that's all we needed to know.
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what's the big difference between your list and scott drew? calipari and thuggins have both had run ins with the ncaa, scott drew has not.
 
IcSyU said:
There isn't hard "proof" they're cheating, so they must be clean.
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You're right, now that we are in a guilty until you are proven innocent and even then you will forever be thought to be guilty society...they must also be laundering money for the mob. I don't have any proof of it, but man I heard something so now I am going to proclaim that they are all guilty.
 
ISU BET said:
what's the big difference between your list and scott drew? calipari and thuggins have both had run ins with the ncaa, scott drew has not.
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Calipari hasn't had run ins with the NCAA at Kentucky (yet) and therefore must be clean.

Bill Self also has been investigated but never in trouble. Billy G?

The coaches know their counterparts are cheating, as evidenced by the ESPN article last month.
 
IcSyU said:
Calipari hasn't had run ins with the NCAA at Kentucky (yet) and therefore must be clean.

Bill Self also has been investigated but never in trouble. Billy G?

The coaches know their counterparts are cheating, as evidenced by the ESPN article last month.
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i could see you suspecting cal is cheating as he has been CAUGHT before. you are putting words in my mouth by referencing cal to scott drew-there is currently no correlation between the 2 other then they both win, and they both are getting top level kids-that's where the comparisons stop. scott drew has not been caught. he may or he may not. i'm not going to accuse him of it just because baylor has always sucked, the town of waco sucks, therefore he must be doing something wrong.

if the guy can coach and put players in the nba, there are going to be kids that want to play for him.
 
IcSyU said:
Calipari hasn't had run ins with the NCAA at Kentucky (yet) and therefore must be clean.

Bill Self also has been investigated but never in trouble. Billy G?

The coaches know their counterparts are cheating, as evidenced by the ESPN article last month.
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Coaching is an extremely competitive business. It's pretty easy for a coach that has recruited a player for years only to lose him to a school like Baylor to be petty and bash him for negative recruiting or to hint that he must be dirty. It's weird how the schools that finish toward the bottom in each conference never seem to get called dirty, to me it seems like a lot of jealousy toward the more successful coaches.
 
jbhtexas said:
So, will Fred Hoiberg be a cheater if he gets good players to come to ISU? Why should any top recruit come to ISU given what has gone on in the MBB program over the last few years?

It would help your cause to post some actual evidence against Scott Drew, instead of using faulty logic to convict him.

Also, I like what you did with your avatar. People should use self-portraits for their avatar more often...
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You are right. ISU and Baylor are exactly alike. Except for the whole murder cover up incident. And the fact that ISU has had success in basketball in the last 25 years and Baylor has not. Yet Baylor has recruited studs there since Drew got to Baylor.

Go look up any article on Drew. There are coaches that outwardly speak about their dislike for the way he recruits and goes about recruiting. Do they do the same for Rick Barnes? Nope. And Texas wasn't getting Mickey D players before Barnes so they are a good comparison.

It's not out of the question to say somebody is cheating. Look around the league. Self has gotten into trouble. Capel/Sampson. K State has thought to be dirty since Huggins got there.

If Iowa State starts signing a top 10 player EVERY SINGLE year like Baylor has..... than YES I will think that Fred is doing something shady

Clonefan32 said:
I guess I had never heard about this. When did this happen? Was it fairly "well documented"?
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Yes. There was an article about it a couple months back

ISU BET said:
so i guess we have our proof. no logical person would ever go there to play. we must have cheated to get fizer, brackins, etc to come to ames as well. who cares if he is throwing other teams under the bus-it's recruiting-do whatever it takes to get a kid to your school.

i have yet to see any response with proof that they are cheating other then-"nobody would ever go there unless they were cheating"

if they get in trouble, i will gladly eat crow, but until then, i will assume he is just outrecruiting every other coach in the conference.

and i think bobby knight would get eaten alive in today's basketball climate-the guy's a legend and not taking what he has meant to the game away, but kids don't want to be taught about life lessons-they want to be taught how to make it to the league-they all think they are going to the nba and don't care about a backup plan.
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In the country. He is going toe to toe with the big dogs of college basketball and convincing them to not go to their school but instead come to Waco! Don't go to a school that has tradition, fills their seats, sends kids to the NBA! Come to Waco where we have 6K fans show up to games.

Bobby Knight eaten alive? He took TT of all teams to the Sweet 16 just 5 years ago. You think the game has changed that much since than?

As for Fizer and Brackins. You listed 2 guys in the last 12 years that are bigger recruits to come to ISU. Baylor has had 2 guys a season for the last 3 years choose to go there. A little different don't you think?
 
Floyd got fired from USC....thats news to me!

Also, wasn't there a pretty well documented connection between someone in Fizer's family a someone in Floyd's? Additionally, Floyd had our program going in the right direction and was getting interest and commitments from several top players including Fizer and C.J. Floyd's program at ISU is probably not the same comp. to what some are asking about Baylor getting quality talent a few years ago give the lack of success, fan support, and history to that point.
 
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