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Using average football attendance as a guide, here's how things look...

Code: 
Conference	Average
----------	-------
SEC		76,625
Big 10		71,764
Big 12		61,743
Pac 12		52,465
Independent	51,624
ACC		50,945

Iowa St.	45,395

Big East	44,945
Mountain West	29,332
Conference USA	28,481
WAC		21,435
Sun Belt	17,757
MAC		15,718

Where Iowa State ranks in the Big 12:

School		Conference	G	Attendance	Average
------		----------	-	----------	-------
Texas		Big 12		7	704,580		100,654
Oklahoma	Big 12		6	508,426		84,738
Texas A&M	Big 12		7	577,338		82,477
Missouri	Big 12		6	369,240		61,540
Texas Tech	Big 12		6	342,647		57,108
Oklahoma St.	Big 12		7	355,684		50,812
Kansas St.	Big 12		6	298,897		49,816
Iowa St.	Big 12		7	317,767		45,395
Kansas		Big 12		7	313,955		44,851
Baylor		Big 12		6	240,259		40,043
				
					Big 12 Average	61,743


Attendance numbers are from 2010 home games for each school
Conferences were grouped based on where teams will play in 2011

Link to data source


Since 2000, Iowa State has...

been to 6 bowl games (3 wins: Pitt, Miami (OH), Minnesota)
reached a #9 ranking (2002)
beat Nebraska 3 times (plus 2 losses in OT)
beat Iowa 5 times
beat Texas @ Austin (2010)
beat Texas A&M @ College Station (2005)
three players on the 2011 All-Big 12 1st Team (T Osemele, LB Knott, CB Johnson)
just installed a $5 million video screen that is the 14th largest in the country
approved a new $20 million football-only facility to be completed by August 2012


If the Big 12 does dissolve, the bad news for ISU is that since the Big East already invited TCU, they only need three more teams to reach 12. Those three would likely be Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri. The best hope is that the SEC invites Missouri, allowing ISU to head to the Big East with KU and K-State.

Unfortunately for the Cyclones, the state of Iowa does not provide an attractive TV market or fertile recruiting territory - two things that really work against ISU in these conference realignment power plays.
 
For the record, my personal feeling is that the Big 12 will stay intact, with or without aTm.

I was curious to see which conference(s) would be the best "fit" for Iowa State, from a competitive football standpoint. It also confirms the fact that there is no chance in hell that we would ever end up in a High School conference like the MAC.

I am also not mentioning AAU membership (which we have) or Tier 1 Research University status (which we have).
 
ISU_Alum_2000 said:
Using average football attendance as a guide, here's how things look...

Code: 
Conference	Average
----------	-------
SEC		76,625
Big 10		71,764
Big 12		61,743
Pac 12		52,465
Independent	51,624
ACC		50,945

Iowa St.	45,395

Big East	44,945
Mountain West	29,332
Conference USA	28,481
WAC		21,435
Sun Belt	17,757
MAC		15,718

Where Iowa State ranks in the Big 12:

School		Conference	G	Attendance	Average
------		----------	-	----------	-------
Texas		Big 12		7	704,580		100,654
Oklahoma	Big 12		6	508,426		84,738
Texas A&M	Big 12		7	577,338		82,477
Missouri	Big 12		6	369,240		61,540
Texas Tech	Big 12		6	342,647		57,108
Oklahoma St.	Big 12		7	355,684		50,812
Kansas St.	Big 12		6	298,897		49,816
Iowa St.	Big 12		7	317,767		45,395
Kansas		Big 12		7	313,955		44,851
Baylor		Big 12		6	240,259		40,043
				
					Big 12 Average	61,743


Attendance numbers are from 2010 home games for each school
Conferences were grouped based on where teams will play in 2011

Link to data source


Since 2000, Iowa State has...

been to 6 bowl games (3 wins: Pitt, Miami (OH), Minnesota)
reached a #9 ranking (2002)
beat Nebraska 3 times (plus 2 losses in OT)
beat Iowa 5 times
beat Texas @ Austin (2010)
beat Texas A&M @ College Station (2005)
three players on the 2011 All-Big 12 1st Team (T Osemele, LB Knott, CB Johnson)
just installed a $5 million video screen that is the 14th largest in the country
approved a new $20 million football-only facility to be completed by August 2012


If the Big 12 does dissolve, the bad news for ISU is that since the Big East already invited TCU, they only need three more teams to reach 12. Those three would likely be Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri. The best hope is that the SEC invites Missouri, allowing ISU to head to the Big East with KU and K-State.

Unfortunately for the Cyclones, the state of Iowa does not provide an attractive TV market or fertile recruiting territory - two things that really work against ISU in these conference realignment power plays.
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Of course, there are a couple of other factors. If the SEC takes an ACC team as its east balance to TAMU, ACC likely responds by inviting a big east team opening a slot for all 4. Even if not, why not just take KU, KSU, ISU, MU, Baylor? Itd make it an even 14 (what SEC will be at at that point, nothing says you have to be at 12 or 16), and would give the big east another texas team with tcu, might cut down on some of the travel costs.
 
ItsCYence said:
I broke it into my top 3.

Dream: Big 10
Hopefully: Big 12
Worst Case: Big East
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I'll go one further.

Dream: Big 10
Hopefully but looking shaky: Big 12
Best case if big 12 falls apart: Big East
Worst case: MWC

I think the odds are low on MWC, but it could happen. And while our attendance numbers right now are way above the average MWC team, imagine what they'd be once we were in the MWC.
 
alarson said:
Of course, there are a couple of other factors. If the SEC takes an ACC team as its east balance to TAMU, ACC likely responds by inviting a big east team opening a slot for all 4. Even if not, why not just take KU, KSU, ISU, MU, Baylor? Itd make it an even 14 (what SEC will be at at that point, nothing says you have to be at 12 or 16), and would give the big east another texas team with tcu, might cut down on some of the travel costs.
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Ps ISU is better then Kansas, BU, Kstate at most everything. ISU basketball is soon to be top of the Big 12 again as well... KU obivously has basketball (right now) and that is it. Kstate had a tiny football streak, but overall ISU has beat them more times then not, same as baylor.

wait baylor has track and women basketball now, but we still outdraw baylor in women attendance i beleive.
 
ISU_Alum_2000 said:
For the record, my personal feeling is that the Big 12 will stay intact, with or without aTm.

I was curious to see which conference(s) would be the best "fit" for Iowa State, from a competitive football standpoint. It also confirms the fact that there is no chance in hell that we would ever end up in a High School conference like the MAC.

I am also not mentioning AAU membership (which we have) or Tier 1 Research University status (which we have).
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I agree Big 12 will stay, all the $$ looks very attractive to any additions, ND, BYU, Houston, Arkansas, Louville, and Pitt all should be salivating.....
 
alarson said:
I'll go one further.

Dream: Big 10
Hopefully but looking shaky: Big 12
Best case if big 12 falls apart: Big East
Worst case: MWC

I think the odds are low on MWC, but it could happen. And while our attendance numbers right now are way above the average MWC team, imagine what they'd be once we were in the MWC.
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I know about the advantages of the Big 10 and the stability of it, but I really don't want to be in the Big10, I would much rather see the Big 12 make it. Just my personal opinion.

I also don't see there being any way that we end up in a non-BCS conference. I think worst case would be Big East.
 
JY07 said:
I'd be alright with a straight up trade of A&M for arkansas
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I agree with this, they are getting decent rivalries with Texas and oklahma in recent and past history, plus both sports have become competitive again, IMO best option if they would want to jump ship, plus it would add more chaos which is entertaining when it is others worrying.
 
JY07 said:
Big12
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Reform the conference with the schools not going to the SEC or Pac12. I've stated this before, but the ADs, Beebe, and the university presidents should all go South Bend, IN and court Notre Dame like Princes of England and France courting the Princess of Spain.
 
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