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tazclone said:
I don't get the timeout issue either. I thought he has doen a good job calling timeouts when runs start. Texas was a different story as they scored 9 points in 0:30.
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I don't see a big timeout issue, either. Fred's timeout management has sure been better than Drew's was in the championship game. How do you call your second to last timeout with fifteen and a half minutes left on the clock when:
  1. You just had a timeout within the last couple of minutes so your guys know what you need them to do.
  2. The next stoppage in play will be a media timeout.
  3. You are left with one timeout for the rest of the game - over 15 minutes!
  4. Your guys are actually playing better than they were before you called the previous timeout - still not good, but better.
That is poor clock management.
 
Question for UConn fans:

Have you heard anything about Royce's prolific strength? He is a big guy, but he has some extremely impressive "strength numbers".... and I'm talking about better than most any guy in the NBA for his upper body strength.....we have seen that in games (one layup in the Texas game you have to watch in slo-mo up close to realize what I'm talking about). It might be a little overlooked by fans of how strong this guy is.
 
marothisu said:
Question for UConn fans:

Have you heard anything about Royce's prolific strength? He is a big guy, but he has some extremely impressive "strength numbers".... and I'm talking about better than most any guy in the NBA for his upper body strength.....we have seen that in games (one layup in the Texas game you have to watch in slo-mo up close to realize what I'm talking about). It might be a little overlooked by fans of how strong this guy is.
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It's almost a negative in the foul department, as people can literally hack away at him, and since he doesn't physically react to the contact, refs don't blow the whistle.
 
VeloClone said:
I don't see a big timeout issue, either. Fred's timeout management has sure been better than Drew's was in the championship game. How do you call your second to last timeout with fifteen and a half minutes left on the clock when:
  1. You just had a timeout within the last couple of minutes so your guys know what you need them to do.
  2. The next stoppage in play will be a media timeout.
  3. You are left with one timeout for the rest of the game - over 15 minutes!
  4. Your guys are actually playing better than they were before you called the previous timeout - still not good, but better.
That is poor clock management.
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Just another day at the office for Scott Drew.
 
Cyclonepride said:
It's almost a negative in the foul department, as people can literally hack away at him, and since he doesn't physically react to the contact, refs don't blow the whistle.
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and he is much more susceptible to flops.

A question for the UConn guys - Are either Oriakhi or Drummond floppers?
 
bawbie said:
and he is much more susceptible to flops.

A question for the UConn guys - Are either Oriakhi or Drummond floppers?
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Take it as you will, but when Roscoe Smith took a charge in the Big East tournament, it was reported that it was UConn's first drawn charge of the season.
 
Cyclonepride said:
It's almost a negative in the foul department, as people can literally hack away at him, and since he doesn't physically react to the contact, refs don't blow the whistle.
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I agree to an extent, but what I'm saying is that he has the ability to back down guys easily who are as big, if not bigger than him and also do some other stuff. In the ****** Texas game, there was one time where he went up for a layup with 3 guys on him, one of the guys basically pulled his arm down and he continued his shot like nothing happened, making it. He had this look like "WTF?" and a big smile to the refs, but if you didn't watch it in slow mo, you wouldn't have known what happened because he was so strong.

It comes to his disadvantage sometimes though. He will sometimes be too strong on shots and I think it's because of his ridiculous strength and it's easy to overdo things in that case if you aren't 100% polished.


As far as flopping goes, if Drummond is on him, and even though he's most likely stronger than Drummond (this is one athletic thing White has on Drummond) then the refs won't buy a flop as much, considering Drummond is as big as White.
 
marothisu said:
I agree to an extent, but what I'm saying is that he has the ability to back down guys easily who are as big, if not bigger than him and also do some other stuff. In the ****** Texas game, there was one time where he went up for a layup with 3 guys on him, one of the guys basically pulled his arm down and he continued his shot like nothing happened, making it. He had this look like "WTF?" and a big smile to the refs, but if you didn't watch it in slow mo, you wouldn't have known what happened because he was so strong.

It comes to his disadvantage sometimes though. He will sometimes be too strong on shots and I think it's because of his ridiculous strength and it's easy to overdo things in that case if you aren't 100% polished.


As far as flopping goes, if Drummond is on him, and even though he's most likely stronger than Drummond (this is one athletic thing White has on Drummond) then the refs won't buy a flop as much, considering Drummond is as big as White.
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No argument there. I was just adding my thought as to the downside. Much more upside to his strength, obviously.

Oh- and the refs bought Scottie knocking over Acey on a jump stop for a charge, so I wouldn't give them to much credit in the simple physics department.
 
Cyclonepride said:
No argument there. I was just adding my thought as to the downside. Much more upside to his strength, obviously.

Oh- and the refs bought Scottie knocking over Acey on a jump stop for a charge, so I wouldn't give them to much credit in the simple physics department.
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Yeah, we are agreeing I think. True about that SC charge. That was ridiculous. Refs are so "whistle happy" sometimes and they don't realize that uhh..pretty sure SC is not going to knock Acy down strength-wise 99% of the time.
 
awmuconn said:
First,,, I hope its a great game, where each team plays well,,,,

I have no Idea if Babb can cover JL,, as always so much depends on Officiating etc if Babb gets called early whether deserved or not,,,, sometimes we do not get JL involved early on... So who knows,,, I do know that most of the times Jim C and Uconn wins these types of games thats just our history,,, this year has been very inconsistent,,,,
But if we assume the two teams are relatively evenly matched then I'ld give Calhoun the edge,,,,, But then again I'm a Uconn fan...:smile:
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I hope we destroy them!
 
In order to guard Royce, it takes a smart defender. Like has been discussed, the opposing team cannot leave shooters open. So the guy guarding Royce must:
A. Keep him out of the paint
B. Force him to shoot jumpers
C. But, you cannot sag off him with the ball in his hands, because of the dribble handoffs. If the defender is not there to hedge, it'll be open shots all day.

What I'm saying is that I agree Drummond/UConn's big men may be athletic and long enough to give Royce some problems. However, those defenders must play smart enough to know when to hedge/who to hedge on and still be able to not give up any dunks to Royce. If Royce senses his defender hedging to early, he'll make a quick move to the basket and end up with a dunk.
 
VeloClone said:
I don't see a big timeout issue, either. Fred's timeout management has sure been better than Drew's was in the championship game. How do you call your second to last timeout with fifteen and a half minutes left on the clock when:
  1. You just had a timeout within the last couple of minutes so your guys know what you need them to do.
  2. The next stoppage in play will be a media timeout.
  3. You are left with one timeout for the rest of the game - over 15 minutes!
  4. Your guys are actually playing better than they were before you called the previous timeout - still not good, but better.
That is poor clock management.
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THIS....is exactly why I can't see Baylor making a deep run in the tournament.
 
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wasn't there a stat about being undefeated when royce (taylor) white scores in single digits? sometimes, i prefer this because it means he's likely making the D collapse down low and kicking out for a plethora of threes, so long as we're hitting them. 'shutting down' royce could mean scotty going for 25 or allen going for 25 or blah blah blah. i love that we have options.
 
isufan said:
In order to guard Royce, it takes a smart defender. Like has been discussed, the opposing team cannot leave shooters open. So the guy guarding Royce must:
A. Keep him out of the paint
B. Force him to shoot jumpers
C. But, you cannot sag off him with the ball in his hands, because of the dribble handoffs. If the defender is not there to hedge, it'll be open shots all day.

What I'm saying is that I agree Drummond/UConn's big men may be athletic and long enough to give Royce some problems. However, those defenders must play smart enough to know when to hedge/who to hedge on and still be able to not give up any dunks to Royce. If Royce senses his defender hedging to early, he'll make a quick move to the basket and end up with a dunk.
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I think that this will be a key point. I think Drummond matches up physically with White very well but he is young. How smart he plays will go a long way toward how long he stays in the game. Roscoe Smith doesn't that the same wide body but it he is a tough defensive player, who can sink an open shot or clean up off the glass. White will see him if Drummond isn't effective.
 
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Giddyup5 said:
I get what your saying. He's your "point forward"

But how dangerous is a guy 50 or 30 feet from the hoop? All that tells me is that you have an effective answer to full court on the ball pressure.
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Royce brings it up only to pass the ball or charge the lane and get an easy bucket
 
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