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cyfan964

cyfan964

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What are everyones thoughts on critisizing players? I agree that directly tweeting a player and saying, "you are awful" is out of bounds, but is it wrong to ultimately criticize the play of certain players in an open forum?

I often hear the responses, "these are just 18-20 year old kids". Does that really make them off limits to criticism? Can I not talk about how so and so had a terrible fumble or some lineman had an awful game? Praise is great, but criticism is a no no?

When I was 18-20 in college and going through the Design program at ISU my instructors absolutely tore my projects apart. I was told my work was horrendous on certain occasions directly to my face. Criticism often makes you work harder and stronger. I've heard multiple say, "you don't need to criticize, the players are hard enough on themselves." If I wasn't critisized for poor performance I don't think I would be nearly as good at my job as I am.

Anyway, that's the end of my rant, just curious what everyone else thinks. Maybe I'm way out of bounds. I'm fully aware these are amateur athletes.
 
I try not to. I just don't feel all the comfortable questioning these kids execution, dedication, etc. I know that's a somewhat thoughtless answer but these kids work their butts off and I can respect that no matter the outcome. The staff on the other hand are salaried employees that should be held accountable.
 
That's sound logic, I appreciate the response. It wasn't just teachers though, it is an open forum with students, teachers, and outside professionals.
 
cyfan964 said:
What are everyones thoughts on critisizing players? I agree that directly tweeting a player and saying, "you are awful" is out of bounds, but is it wrong to ultimately criticize the play of certain players in an open forum?

I often hear the responses, "these are just 18-20 year old kids". Does that really make them off limits to criticism? Can I not talk about how so and so had a terrible fumble or some lineman had an awful game? Praise is great, but criticism is a no no?

When I was 18-20 in college and going through the Design program at ISU my instructors absolutely tore my projects apart. I was told my work was horrendous on certain occasions directly to my face. Criticism often makes you work harder and stronger. I've heard multiple say, "you don't need to criticize, the players are hard enough on themselves." If I wasn't critisized for poor performance I don't think I would be nearly as good at my job as I am.

Anyway, that's the end of my rant, just curious what everyone else thinks. Maybe I'm way out of bounds. I'm fully aware these are amateur athletes.
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I am sure they get ripped by their coaches plenty why would a fanbase pile on help anything??? Are you a teacher of football at Iowa State??
 
Talking about it here is fine. That's part of discussing the game. Turning that into something personal, like calling the athletes failures at life because they failed at the game, is too much. That doesn't happen too often, if at all.

Tweeting them to do it is too much. Anything further, like stalking them to send e-mail, texts, or phone calls, is way over the line.
 
1. The public at large didn't yell at you when the design project sucked. I am guessing the coaches yell at the players too.

2. You can do whatever you want, it's not like there is never any player criticism on here.

3. I try not to be an ******* towards the players. The older I get the more I realize that they are out there trying their best. (For the most part) and want to win more than I do. Me bashing them on a message board does no good and can do harm. I'd rather be supportive.
 
Cyclonick182 said:
I try not to. I just don't feel all the comfortable questioning these kids execution, dedication, etc. I know that's a somewhat thoughtless answer but these kids work their butts off and I can respect that no matter the outcome. The staff on the other hand are salaried employees that should be held accountable.
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Good point. I should also include that criticizing effort and heart should be off limits as well.
 
cyfan964 said:
That's sound logic, I appreciate the response. It wasn't just teachers though, it is an open forum with students, teachers, and outside professionals.
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I can see teachers and outside professionals, but the students don't know anymore than you do. Just like most of the fans criticizing players do not really now what they are talking about.
 
There is criticism and there are personal attacks. Unfortunately most people tend to cross the line to personal attacks and name calling. I don't have a problem saying for instance... Cotton is getting crushed on pass defense. However most people go strait to G** D***** Cotton F****** S**** D***. That's not cool.
 
cy4life94 said:
I think it's the coaches job to criticize players just like it is the teachers job to criticize you.
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Perfect. These players work their ***** off and sacrifice their bodies for our entertainment and believe me they feel worse when they lose than anyone on here does (except maybe clonedude).
 
cy4life94 said:
I can see teachers and outside professionals, but the students don't know anymore than you do. Just like most of the fans criticizing players do not really now what they are talking about.
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I agree to an extent, but should it be off limits for a fan to say, "man so and so really lost us the momentum when he fumbled that ball." Is it ok to directly call out a play like that?
 
isufbcurt said:
Perfect. These players work their ***** off and sacrifice their bodies for our entertainment and believe me they feel worse when they lose than anyone on here does (except maybe clonedude).
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I'm pretty sure he locks himself in his room and cries while listening to Dashboard Confessional after a loss. :smile:
 
Again, I'm just talking in a public forum such as this or in a private conversation. Is it, or should it be, ok to directly call out an individual player for a boneheaded play or a lack of execution?
 
cyfan964 said:
Again, I'm just talking in a public forum such as this or in a private conversation. Is it, or should it be, ok to directly call out an individual player for a boneheaded play or a lack of execution?
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this whole post is pointless. You can do whatever you want. You just want to feel better about starting a post about some player sucking or justify tweeting at a player.
 
jsb said:
this whole post is pointless. You can do whatever you want. You just want to feel better about starting a post about some player sucking or justify tweeting at a player.
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Thanks for your well thought out input. That helps a lot. I especially liked the part where you guessed on my intentions.
 
Criticize the play, not the player.

Everyone should start with the baseline that everyone tries.
 
Our guys are playing a big conference sport in front of 50,000 plus and being watched on TV's all around the country. It's naive to expect fans and writers not to criticize players as long as it does cross that fuzzy line of getting to nasty and personal. Man, you should read the stuff being written here in Minnesota about the Gophers and especially their QB and they won Saturday. On the scale of meltdowns by other fan bases the stuff here on CF is PG-13 that any player worth his salt should be able to shrug off.

For the record, I think some of the stuff on Cotton here the last week was not very objective and maybe got a little to into sarcastic sniping. Most of the stuff on Richards i can't argue with too much. QB is usually the leader guy and if you can't lead or take the heat you aren't going to be a very successful team in a system that relies so much on QB execution.

And as far as million dollar coaches, well, that's open season as far as I am concerned.
 
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