There need to be female officials...

[vmbplayer]

In Big 12 mens sporting events.

It's ridiculous that the NFL, a league full of issues with domestic abusers is ahead of college athletics made up of teams from higher learning institutions on this.

It's both stupid that they aren't, and it immediately increases the talent pool to draw from for officiating. Want better officials? Have a larger group to select from to begin with.

I don't know if there is actually a rule preventing this (I'd assume no because that would seem illegal), but I don't recall ever seeing a female ref in MBB or FB for an ISU game. So I'd guess it's some glass ceilings that are well overdue to be shattered. And that needs to start with the league offices hiring practices.

 

[Macloney]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw0TnDkmZ4osxsAK6kdxoknE&ust=1547510546295592

So this happened in 2014. It took 30 seconds of searching Google.

Good take though.

 

[isuno1fan]

Disagree. I welcome female officials but it’s not NEEDED.
If women want to pursue this career/hobby, more power to them, but we don’t need to go out of our way to try and force it.

 

[JM4CY]

If there vetted and qualified, there's no reason not to. Not so sure some the male officials are qualified in the first place so there in-lies part of the issue

 

[vmbplayer]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGu7mU_OvfAhVGwYMKHWIiAe0QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/catherine-conti-to-be-first-female-official-in-big-12-history/&psig=AOvVaw0TnDkmZ4osxsAK6kdxoknE&ust=1547510546295592

So this happened in 2014. It took 30 seconds of searching Google.

Good take though.

Indeed.

I guess instead of doing a google search that yields a single highly publicized story of one official really outweighs my observations watching Big 12 games live for the last 15 years and having never once seen a female official at a men's game.

My underlying point is probably much less valid because it has happened one time 4 years ago. Clearly the Big 12 has embraced female officials at mens sporting events.

 

[FinalFourCy]

JFC

 

[baller21]

I agree. Female refs are definitely needed.

 

[vmbplayer]

JFC

Solid take. Well thought out.

 

[Macloney]

Indeed.

I guess instead of doing a google search that yields a single highly publicized story of one official really outweighs my observations watching Big 12 games live for the last 15 years and having never once seen a female official at a men's game.

My underlying point is probably much less valid because it has happened one time 4 years ago. Clearly the Big 12 has embraced female officials at mens sporting events.

Cool story, but what you don't know would fill a warehouse.

 

[UnCytely]

I honestly don't know the answer to this question, but do women make up a very much higher proportion of officials in women's sports?

Anyway, we need more women in all sorts of careers. Eventually, it is just up to them to go out and get into those careers.

 

[vmbplayer]

Cool story, but what you don't know would fill a warehouse.

Wow. Guess I didn't realize that the concept of a woman reffing a game would piss you off to the point you had to go for the personal attack strategy instead of...ya know...forming an argument with your overly full warehouse of knowledge.

Be well.

 

[Macloney]

Wow. Guess I didn't realize that the concept of a woman reffing a game would piss you off to the point you had to go for the personal attack strategy instead of...ya know...forming an argument with your overly full warehouse of knowledge.

Be well.

Besides your passive aggressive farewell , I have no idea what you are talking about.

You post a rant about the Big 12 needing more women officials and I post a link showing that they had one in 2014. You then go on to post that because you didn't personally see it that it should be discounted or they need to do more.

Since you watch so many Big 12 athletic events, did you see the aforementioned game in 2014?

As far as the personal attack, it might be inferred that your comments were a little condescending. Reread them, they were.

Dork.

 

[CyCrazy]

If someone is qualified to be a ref who really gives a **** if its a man or a woman?

 

[Tailg8er]

Have you look at the officials roster for EVERY game over the last 15 years? Or do you just study all (8 I think they're up to in Big 12?) officials' faces to determine their gender? I know I've seen a couple female officials this season in NCAA games (can't recall if they were Big 12), and they're not always easy to pick apart from the men.

And I don't think it's fair to blame the Big 12 for lack of female officials, when there are probably VERY few females even qualified to officiate at that level. I've been officiating high school football the last couple years, and there just aren't many females interested in the job. In the association I belong to of ~200 officials, there are less than 5 female members. It sounds like you're advocating for the Big 12 to seek out female officials, and hire them regardless of if they're the best candidate or not.

I'm all for women doing whatever careers they so choose, but think it's ludacris to hire based on nothing but gender (or race) just to get a predetermined number or percentage. Especially when there is such a small number of that gender interested in the career to begin with.

 

[NWICY]

There are a pretty fair number of women who ref WBB, they aren't any shinier than the men.

 

[throwittoblythe]

Most common argumentative fallacy in use today: “I didn’t see it, therefore it didn’t happen.”

 

[isuno1fan]

I honestly don't know the answer to this question, but do women make up a very much higher proportion of officials in women's sports?

Anyway, we need more women in all sorts of careers. Eventually, it is just up to them to go out and get into those careers.

Again. They aren’t NEEDED, but they are welcome if they are the best person for the job and choose to pursue the profession.

 

[throwittoblythe]

How are the OP identify these “male” refs as men. How do we know if they even identify as “male” and not “female.” Sheesh, I thought we’d come further than this in 2019. Can’t believe we’re still using outdated gender labels like “man” and “woman.” I, for one, am triggered and offended.

 

[CyCrazy]

Again. They aren’t NEEDED, but they are welcome if they are the best person for the job and choose to pursue the profession.

I bet you and TornadoMan are brothers.

 

[vmbplayer]

Have you look at the officials roster for EVERY game over the last 15 years? Or do you just study all (8 I think they're up to in Big 12?) officials' faces to determine their gender? I know I've seen a couple female officials this season in NCAA games (can't recall if they were Big 12), and they're not always easy to pick apart from the men.

And I don't think it's fair to blame the Big 12 for lack of female officials, when there are probably VERY few females even qualified to officiate at that level. I've been officiating high school football the last couple years, and there just aren't many females interested in the job. In the association I belong to of ~200 officials, there are less than 5 female members. It sounds like you're advocating for the Big 12 to seek out female officials, and hire them regardless of if they're the best candidate or not.

I'm all for women doing whatever careers they so choose, but think it's ludacris to hire based on nothing but gender (or race) just to get a predetermined number or percentage. Especially when there is such a small number of that gender interested in the career to begin with.

The lack of women in officiating in football I can buy as valid.

I want to clarify that I'm not advocating for quotas or percentages. I don't think that'd be necessary at all.

I would advocate for recruiting more women who are qualified to apply and making sure your selection criteria wasn't inherently biased away from them.

I think there are plenty of females who officiate wbb that call a much better game than many of the regulars in the mens game.

I'd be in favor of recruiting to get qualified applicants from pools of candidates like the womens game and then assigning them games exactly how they are today. I believe the conference grades out officials after each game and makes future assignments accordingly. No need at all to have favoritism in that system, do it entirely on merit. But i think it starts by attracting and offering talent the chance to be graded in the first place. Especially in bb where there are so many non conference "buy" games to vette and develop a deeper talent pool to draw from in conference play.

Free market wise the competition should yield better results. More competition = higher quality of official.

I admittedly have not looked at every big 12 official assignment to see how many females have been assigned. I have however watched pretty much every ISU game in that time plus other conference teams and can recall 0 in that time (i may be forgetting a couple or may not have noticed). That would account for >10% of B12 games in that timeframe. I would think that is a large enough sample to safely say there are very few if any actively reffing b12 games.

Additionally if in that time i didn't notice a female officiating I'd say that's a sign of a quality official. If i know the official that's generally a bad thing in terms of quality.