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The Real Reason why NCAA doesn't want to Pay College Athletes

Don't pay athletes because schools are already paying athletes under the table. If we don't hand out penalties, it's a win-win.

Seems right in line with NCAA logic.
 
So what about those schools that stay out of trouble and have little or no under the table action. If the programs that are paying out or are benefiting through shoe deals are not severely penalized, running a clean program doesn't matter at all. I think there are two issues that can be considered separately:
1.) Fairly compensating ALL players for their effort, time, sacrifice etc. In some sense this is already going on with scholarships. The question on this is if they deserve more such as stipends.
2.) Out of sight benefits of dollars/shoe deals etc to players. This is what the article talks about. Whether stipends happen to players or whether we operate under the current above table scholarship only system, there will always be those cheaters. Unless the penalties and ENFORCEMENT are severe under extra official pay or just scholarships, the underhandedness will continue.

My thinking is that players are compensated with scholarships, a bit of extra spending money in addition to this might be okay.
Penalties must be enforced. A better system of checks and balances is needed.
 
Cyder91 said:
So what about those schools that stay out of trouble and have little or no under the table action. If the programs that are paying out or are benefiting through shoe deals are not severely penalized, running a clean program doesn't matter at all. I think there are two issues that can be considered separately:
1.) Fairly compensating ALL players for their effort, time, sacrifice etc. In some sense this is already going on with scholarships. The question on this is if they deserve more such as stipends.
2.) Out of sight benefits of dollars/shoe deals etc to players. This is what the article talks about. Whether stipends happen to players or whether we operate under the current above table scholarship only system, there will always be those cheaters. Unless the penalties and ENFORCEMENT are severe under extra official pay or just scholarships, the underhandedness will continue.

My thinking is that players are compensated with scholarships, a bit of extra spending money in addition to this might be okay.
Penalties must be enforced. A better system of checks and balances is needed.
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Those schools are imaginary.
 
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Those schools are imaginary.
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Really? Is just a matter of our school growing a pair and throwing more donors, alumni and money at the propects?

If we are already doing it, then damnit, why haven't we been getting the 4 and 5 star types? Maybe CSP should talk to TJ Otz after he settles in and find out how UNLV steals the players with more money than we could like Rashad Vaughn.
 
If they ever go to actual above-board payment of players for services rendered, it will probably be the end of scholarships for non-revenue sports, unless they find a way to pay athletes in some sports, but not athletes in other sports. And even then, you know that the same four illegitimate sources will still be funneling money to the same players in the rogue programs because the actual above-board payments won't be "enough."
 
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It definitely holds water. That's why the NCAA'S arguments about preserving integrity are so ridiculous. There's very little integrity currently. Nearly every single "danger" that the NCAA warns us will happen if athletes are paid is already happening with the current system. It's just not out in the open, and so people can keep their eyes closed and pretend everything is kosher.
 
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Cycsk said:
If they ever go to actual above-board payment of players for services rendered, it will probably be the end of scholarships for non-revenue sports, unless they find a way to pay athletes in some sports, but not athletes in other sports. And even then, you know that the same four illegitimate sources will still be funneling money to the same players in the rogue programs because the actual above-board payments won't be "enough."
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I have zero issue with this. The idea that sports have some need to be tied to the university/college system is sort of bizarre to begin with.
 
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Cyder91 said:
Really? Is just a matter of our school growing a pair and throwing more donors, alumni and money at the propects?

If we are already doing it, then damnit, why haven't we been getting the 4 and 5 star types? Maybe CSP should talk to TJ Otz after he settles in and find out how UNLV steals the players with more money than we could like Rashad Vaughn.
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We all know exactly how Vaughn ended up at UNLV.
 
They already are paid.

I know what my Engineering degree from Iowa State cost, as I paid every ******* penny. Tuition, books, room and board - I liked all that **** so much that I continued to pay for it YEARS after I had diploma in hand.

Don't like it? Go pro. Don't like all the extra hours you put in with athletic obligations like practice and travel, etc? Quit playing.

They've been handed a giant lever to wedge under their asses. If they even modestly apply themselves, the fulcrum of the university system can drastically alter the course of their life with great ease and few of the trappings or pitfalls associated with the debt their average classroom peer incurs.

The great tragedy of this situation is the wrong-doers will not have to truly face the music. Sure some unsavory characters may have to do some jail time, but you let me know when the Nike or Adidas board of directors get hauled in to lose their jobs or pay hefty fines from the company coffers. Or when coaches of these programs who benefited lose their jobs or pay the same. This shoe company saga says more about American society than it does any handful of corporations, programs, coaches, or players.
 
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Seems logical to me that some schools would easily be able to afford it, and some schools definitely could not, so you'd have a system where the best teams got far better players (due to pay, even beyond what we see now), and the teams with budget issues wouldn't have a prayer. At that point, you'd almost have to create separate tiers (maybe a couple) to make it reasonably competitive.
 
The answer is to let players make money off their likeness (autographs, pictures, appearances). This helps them get paid what they are "worth" without the athletic departments having to find money to pay them.

It blows my mind every time I hear someone claim that the schools are "making millions" off these kids, when the majority of athletic departments operate in the negative. The money has to come from somewhere if their stipend increases (D1 athletes already get a stipend on top of tuition). It would have to be a decrease in coaches salary (which would probably be a good thing) or a reduction in the amount that is spend on facilities, which is already essentially being used by the athletes since they benefit from using those facilities.
 
Mr Janny said:
I have zero issue with this. The idea that sports have some need to be tied to the university/college system is sort of bizarre to begin with.
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I've thought about this point quite a bit. Sports teams being tied to high schools and colleges is such a distinctly American thing. If you look at youth sports in Europe, they are typically organized separately from schools and universities. They are purely extra curricular. That's why you see these soccer phenoms getting signed at 13 years old and playing in age restricted leagues as they grow and develop. This is like if the AAU was directly tied to the NBA and kids could be signed to developmental contracts. Especially for the kids growing up in poor households, that could be a huge help for their families as they pursue their sports dreams.
 
isutrevman said:
It blows my mind every time I hear someone claim that the schools are "making millions" off these kids, when the majority of athletic departments operate in the negative. The money has to come from somewhere if their stipend increases (D1 athletes already get a stipend on top of tuition). It would have to be a decrease in coaches salary (which would probably be a good thing) or a reduction in the amount that is spend on facilities, which is already essentially being used by the athletes since they benefit from using those facilities.
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But they are pulling in millions every year in revenue, and that total has been growing rapidly in the last 20 to 30 years. Higher revenue just means that the schools have to budget to spend that much more every year. That is why you see the rapidly inflating coaching salaries and the exorbitant facilities spending at the larger universities. This is similar to how Amazon for a long time never reported a profit, because they were taking all of its earnings and investing it. This allowed them to pay less in taxes and lower investor payouts.

Most schools (public institutions primarily) are incentivised to spend the money as they receive it. It is in their interest to keep their operational surpluses low, because that informs how they will be budgeted in years to come. If they operate in the negative, they can more easily request additional funding.
 
I've often wondered if coaches are funneling some of their millions back into the program. And if so, how do they do it? I hear lots about shoe companies, assistants, and bagmen, but not head coaches spending their own money on recruits and players.
 
Cycsk said:
If they ever go to actual above-board payment of players for services rendered, it will probably be the end of scholarships for non-revenue sports, unless they find a way to pay athletes in some sports, but not athletes in other sports. And even then, you know that the same four illegitimate sources will still be funneling money to the same players in the rogue programs because the actual above-board payments won't be "enough."
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yep if this were to happen good bye to basically any sports at ISU besides mens basketball and football.. maybe womans basketball??

Mr Janny said:
I have zero issue with this. The idea that sports have some need to be tied to the university/college system is sort of bizarre to begin with.
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at the same time it allows a lot of students who otherwise might not be able to attend a college/university to do so.
 
247cy said:
They already are paid.

I know what my Engineering degree from Iowa State cost, as I paid every ******* penny. Tuition, books, room and board - I liked all that **** so much that I continued to pay for it YEARS after I had diploma in hand.

Don't like it? Go pro. Don't like all the extra hours you put in with athletic obligations like practice and travel, etc? Quit playing.

They've been handed a giant lever to wedge under their asses. If they even modestly apply themselves, the fulcrum of the university system can drastically alter the course of their life with great ease and few of the trappings or pitfalls associated with the debt their average classroom peer incurs.

The great tragedy of this situation is the wrong-doers will not have to truly face the music. Sure some unsavory characters may have to do some jail time, but you let me know when the Nike or Adidas board of directors get hauled in to lose their jobs or pay hefty fines from the company coffers. Or when coaches of these programs who benefited lose their jobs or pay the same. This shoe company saga says more about American society than it does any handful of corporations, programs, coaches, or players.
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Not to mention all of the free clothes and shoes they get. Zion Williamson was wearing +$1,000 shoes in a game this season, for free. They get free meals on campus, and meals provided before and after games. They also get free tutoring for every single class.

What do I get as a regular student? A **** load of debt.
 
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Do you like Clemson vs. Alabama title games? Because paying players is how you get Clemson vs. Alabama from here until forever.
 
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