Stop underutilizing Ward

ZRF

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This is related to the Robert Jones thread but I didn't want to harp on this there and taint what was suppose be an ode to Jones and is hard work.

Much like last year Otz is really dropping the ball in terms of utilizing/playing one of his best and most effective players. More than even my disdain for Jones' play last year was his usage, moreso Otz's penchant for for inserting BRE at the expense of Osun. While Osun had limitations, and had play sometimes dictated by foul trouble, he was often prematurely removed from games, without the faintest sign of fatigue. I maintained it was a huge mistake not to let the game (obvious signs of fatigue, foul trouble, or ineffectiveness) dictate Osun's minutes and I'm pretty sure we lost a game or two because of it.

This year Ward is an absolute force. Even more than Osun, he is one of the best players in league play when he's on the floor. We are offensively efficient and defensively devastating when he plays. Despite this, and for reasons I can't even begin to understand, Otz is arbitrarily limiting his minutes. Much like last year, the benefactor is often Jones.

Unlike last year, Jones' play isn't the reason for this concern. Bob is fine when he's on the court and I'd be happy with his utilization if he was our best or only option. The problem is he isn't and for that matter neither is King. Otz needs to play Ward until he shows he is ineffective, is in foul trouble (which has sometimes been an issue), or is obviously fatigued. But if you condition a player to only play 20ish minutes he will never learn how to manage a larger workload. I have seen nothing from Ward to indicate he isn't capable of such. While it's also likely he won't be as "fresh" (often a counterargument by some posters on here), no player is as "fresh" playing 30+ minutes compared to 20. That doesn't mean it's not the right move or that the team doesn't benefit by having a better player on the floor more. This would most certainly be the case here.

It's time for Otz to unleash the beast and allow Ward to show he can/can't handle the workload. It's not about Robert or even Tre, it's about Ward being the much better player of the 3. Largely I think Ward/Jones' minutes should mostly be dictated by the opponent and who (of those two) is more effective. In the KU game we needed King's scoring so Bob sits. In other games Bob will be the better player/matchup so King sits. Then there may be some games where Ward is ineffective or is in foul trouble. In those the other two (obviously) get more minutes.

Personally I think Otz's objectivity is clouded by Jones' work ethic. Tre and Osun should have both played more last year but Otz routinely overplayed Jones. This year Ward losing minuets to Jones (and even King). We are a much better team when Ward is on the floor and Otz is robbing the team of it's maximal potential by limiting his minutes. A 43.9% floor time rate is beyond criminal.


 
Conference-only games, he's getting about 44% of the minutes. For someone of his size/athleticism I think that's a good number.

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As a fan I love when ward gets in the game, especially at home. His big dunks and blocks get the crowd going and creates a lot of excitement. I'd be all for getting him more minutes but I feel like that will come with silly fouls and turnovers. I love his game this year.
 
TJ comes in and turns this team around and takes us to the NCAA tournament each year since, but suddenly we're supposed to question whether he knows how to utilize his players? I think I'll trust TJ rather than a random opinion.
 
I wanted to look up the numbers to be sure, but it may have something to do with foul trouble. According to the iowa state athletics stats, he has been on the floor for 191 minutes this year and has 30 fouls. Roughly a foul every 6 minutes and 40 seconds or 6 fouls per 40min

It is definitely part of the problem but even when it hasn't he's arbitrarily had his minutes limited.
 
Conference-only games, he's getting about 44% of the minutes. For someone of his size/athleticism I think that's a good number.

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No.

I don't have a problem when the player shows they can't handle the minutes. They are visibly winded, ineffective, etc. But in the absence of those problems you do NOT arbitrarily limit your most effective player. I'm sure there is a limit threshold but am also sure it's not around 44% of available minutes.

That's the entire point of this thread and why I made it a point to mention the "freshness" claims. I'm not directing that part at you but that's always one of the more ******** ideas one can have. You don't pull your best players off the floor so they can be more "fresh". You pull them off when they physically NEED a break or when they show fatigue limits their effectiveness.

Not playing Ward more is a huge mistake. It will cost us games and...more importantly...prevent him from learning how to manage (fouls, fatigue, etc) a larger work load come tournament time. Our best chance of making it to the 2nd weekend and beyond is with him on the floor.
 
No.

I don't have a problem when the player shows they can't handle the minutes. They are visibly winded, ineffective, etc. But in the absence of those problems you do NOT arbitrarily limit your most effective player. I'm sure there is a limit threshold but am also sure it's not around 44% of available minutes.

That's the entire point of this thread and why I made it a point to mention the "freshness" claims. I'm not directing that part at you but that's always one of the more ******** ideas one can have. You don't pull your best players off the floor so they can be more "fresh". You pull them off when they physically NEED a break or when they show fatigue limits their effectiveness.

Not playing Ward more is a huge mistake. It will cost us games and...more importantly...prevent him from learning how to manage (fouls, fatigue, etc) a larger work load come tournament time. Our best chance of making it to the 2nd weekend and beyond is with him on the floor.
When they start puking on the floor, we can pull them off, then.

The big 12 is physical as hell. You need bodies and depth and the bigs, especially need breaks.
 
When they start puking on the floor, we can pull them off, then.

The big 12 is physical as hell. You need bodies and depth and the bigs, especially need breaks.

Come on man. You are one of the better posters on the board and know better than that.

It's pretty telling, in back to back years, we have 2 players in a similar position being underutilized on the floor. It's even more telling, when looking at said effectiveness, you really can't find players of similar stature, with similar effectiveness being so underutilized on other teams. I'd say it's highly probable, if not a near certainty, Otz is the largest limiting factor (in both cases) when it comes to those minutes.

Before people jump on me and say "why would Otz do this if he knew it was a mistake" I'm saying I don't think Otz is even aware how much he is screwing up here. I maintain that's a big problem.

Also, before the lynch brigade says I should coach the team, I'm not saying he's not a good coach or that I can coach. That doesn't mean, here or elsewhere, (lowly) internet posters can't be right about some things. I'm pretty sure I'm right (or should I say the evidence is telling) on this.
 
Ward is one of our best players but not sure I’ve exactly missed him since he came back. At the start of the year I wanted to see him a bit more but that may have partly been the injury showing up some. I think he has played a fair amount recently and I like keeping him fresh.
 
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My take: TJ knows that Ward is probably going to get 3-4 fouls a game and wants him available at the end of the game to play hard.
Ding. Can't play more minutes when you get a foul every 3-4 of them. And most of those in Ward's case are not good fouls on top of that.
 
ZRF, I thought you turned a corner with your BRE post, but here you are back at it again. Will you never be happy until you get TJ's job? National writers have stated (paraphrasing here) that even with a team that is not as talented as others NO COACH gets more out of his players than TJ. I guess I'm content to be where we are with this team but it's reassuring to know how much better we will be when TJ hangs it up and you take over.
 

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