*****Spring Game Post Game Thoughts*****

I don't understand why people are acting like Jantz can't build a chemestry with the rest of the team and get a better feel for his reads and playbook by the start of the season. No he's not the perfect QB, but he's the best we have and have had in a while if he can get a better grasp of the offense this summer.

While I agee that he could be the best we have, he isn't yet and you saying he will take this big jump is certainly justified but not certain. You could make a case that any of the guys for one reason or another could take a leap and take control of the job.
 
While I agee that he could be the best we have, he isn't yet and you saying he will take this big jump is certainly justified but not certain. You could make a case that any of the guys for one reason or another could take a leap and take control of the job.

Translation: No one really knows what Tiller or Jantz are truly capable. Jantz has yet to get comfortable with the offense and nobody knows IF he ever will or what he could do when he gets it down. We all have seen Tiller play, but none of us know what kind of work Tiller has put in and how much he has progressed. The QB race is wide open and for us to speculate who will be the starter in the opener is just plain silly.
 
Wait, who says he can't beat out Tiller?
Right now the depth chart.
That is all we have to go by at this time. I am not saying Jantz can't win the position battle and be the greatest ISU QB of all time but all we have to go on right now is he is slightly behind Tiller. At best he is equal to Tiller.

There has been nothing at all to indicate that "he is better than anyone we have had in a while." If he was in fact"better than anyone we have had in a while" he would be hands down the starter and would have won the battle. Fact is he isn't. He could be once he learns the system and gets comfortable but when will that happen? Will it happen this summer, fall, next spring? Will it happen at all? That is a learning process that no one on this board can guarantee.
 
I didn't see anything from Steele that showed me something Tiller was not capable of himself. I'm afraid the Jantz hype machine is going to stall out.

Really don't care who is under center as long as it is the guy that gives us the best chance to W. Right now, based on a single scrimmage, the only guy I would be comfortable with is Tiller.

I'm not sure if the Golden Calf himself could have made that TD throw to Horne in the wind.

That said, Jantz did make quite a few mistakes and Tiller definitely has a better grasp of things. If Jantz can't improve his grasp, Tiller starts, and we'll be fine. If Jantz can match Tiller in terms of grasp and understanding, he'll start as he appears more talented.

Its Tiller's job right now and it should be based on Saturday's performance. But we've seen a lot of Spring Game heroes, so I'm not sure that means much. I have little doubt that Jantz or Tiller will be the man. Just not sure which one it will be.
 
Anyone see Jantz put a decent block on the reverse play for a touchdown. It wasn't a thing of beauty, but got job done.

I feel he is atleast even with Tiller, and slightly ahead of JC & JB. 3 months vs 3 years, tells me SJ, or others, can #1 by fall. Like others have said, Tiller should be light years ahead in QB race due to time with playbook, sideline experience, AA as a mentor, film study, you name it. There really shouldn't even be a QB question. Tiller should have been ready to take dad's keys and have a hay day scooping the B12 streets on Saturday's, but he really didn't show me on Saturday that was ready to take the car. Although, if the season started this weekend, JT would be in driver's seat.
 
Please excuse this question, I know I'm treading over very dangerous waters here. However, I need to know the answer because I'm fairly new to CF and to the Cyclone family in general and right now I just don't understand.

Seneca Wallace had a .500 Record at ISU and threw 1 more INT that TDs (27 to 26) in his career. He had a 57% completion rate (below average for college). He accounted for 6,000 yds in 2 seasons (decent).

Why is this guy a god? Why are all other ISU QBs compared to him?

This is asked with the purest of intentions, I simply am wondering if I missed something. I don't want to be ignorant.


OK, no one else bit so I will.

TO understand the Seneca Wallace phenomenon you really have to have seen him play. Looking at his career stats will not do it. Seneca was one of the most electrifying individual athletes I have ever seen play. His downfall, as far as stats and record goes, was the talent around him, the system he played in and that he only played at ISU for two years.

I truly believe that if he had been a 4/5 year player at ISU with our current staff, he could have accomplished much more than he did. As it was, he only got 2 years as a Big 12 QB. It think as a 4/5 year D1 player he would have had better strength and conditioning, better grasp of the QB position and, with the current staff, a better system and position coaching. Marty Fine (2002 OC) was a horrible offensive coordinator and the offensive line nosedived under his instruction.

There were many times that the team had to rely on Seneca to win the game for them. He did not have the best supporting cast. In 2001, he had Ennis Haywood which helped them win more in 2001. It was Senecas first eyar at QB and he showed flashes of what he could do in the future. I don't think the defense was nearly as good as we had in 2005.
In 2002, he did not have a real running back. Seneca had some good posession recievers in Danielsen and Whitver, but there is a reason that they were both walk-ons. He didn't have much of a real downfield threat. After the first few games, opposing coaches knew what was coming and gameplanned to stop Seneca. A combination of bad offensive coaching and supporting players led to a complete nosedive after a 6-1 start (with a last second loss to FSU). With better coaching a supporting cast in 2002 there is no way we like we did the second half of the season. Granted, we ran into a lot of ranked teams, but we got smashed. No way we lose to UConn, that's for sure.

Seneca is truly a gifted athlete. You need look no further than his tenure in the NFL with only limited time as a D1 QB. He was the only weapon we had in 2002. I wish we could have the team around him that we have in 2011. Seneca in this offense would be awesome. He had next level elusiveness, speed and a great arm. Combine that with a much more solid O-Line a stable of capably running backs and a defense that can hold their own with most teams and you have something really special.



Put it this way, if Seneca had ended up at a top school like Cam Newton did, and they used him correctly, he could have won the heisman and a national championship. Until the epic meltdown in the second half of 2002 he was getting heisman talk playing for Iowa State, mostly because he was willing the team to wins.

Find a video of "The Play" from the Texas Tech game in 2002. It is still the most impressive singular effort I have ever seen from one player (combined with Mike Wagners disgusting block at the end).
 
OK, no one else bit so I will.

TO understand the Seneca Wallace phenomenon you really have to have seen him play. Looking at his career stats will not do it. Seneca was one of the most electrifying individual athletes I have ever seen play. His downfall, as far as stats and record goes, was the talent around him, the system he played in and that he only played at ISU for two years.

I truly believe that if he had been a 4/5 year player at ISU with our current staff, he could have accomplished much more than he did. As it was, he only got 2 years as a Big 12 QB. It think as a 4/5 year D1 player he would have had better strength and conditioning, better grasp of the QB position and, with the current staff, a better system and position coaching. Marty Fine (2002 OC) was a horrible offensive coordinator and the offensive line nosedived under his instruction.

There were many times that the team had to rely on Seneca to win the game for them. He did not have the best supporting cast. In 2001, he had Ennis Haywood which helped them win more in 2001. It was Senecas first eyar at QB and he showed flashes of what he could do in the future. I don't think the defense was nearly as good as we had in 2005.
In 2002, he did not have a real running back. Seneca had some good posession recievers in Danielsen and Whitver, but there is a reason that they were both walk-ons. He didn't have much of a real downfield threat. After the first few games, opposing coaches knew what was coming and gameplanned to stop Seneca. A combination of bad offensive coaching and supporting players led to a complete nosedive after a 6-1 start (with a last second loss to FSU). With better coaching a supporting cast in 2002 there is no way we like we did the second half of the season. Granted, we ran into a lot of ranked teams, but we got smashed. No way we lose to UConn, that's for sure.

Seneca is truly a gifted athlete. You need look no further than his tenure in the NFL with only limited time as a D1 QB. He was the only weapon we had in 2002. I wish we could have the team around him that we have in 2011. Seneca in this offense would be awesome. He had next level elusiveness, speed and a great arm. Combine that with a much more solid O-Line a stable of capably running backs and a defense that can hold their own with most teams and you have something really special.



Put it this way, if Seneca had ended up at a top school like Cam Newton did, and they used him correctly, he could have won the heisman and a national championship. Until the epic meltdown in the second half of 2002 he was getting heisman talk playing for Iowa State, mostly because he was willing the team to wins.

Find a video of "The Play" from the Texas Tech game in 2002. It is still the most impressive singular effort I have ever seen from one player (combined with Mike Wagners disgusting block at the end).
Plenty of talent around him in year one but not so much in year two. His stats back that up as well.
 
Plenty of talent around him in year one but not so much in year two. His stats back that up as well.

In my opinion, the ultimate expression of just how amazing Seneca is is the second half of the 2002 Iowa game. He won that game through sheer force of will, and it was awe-inspiring to watch.
 
Seneca Wallace IS overrated on this board. He's one of the greatest players we've had at ISU, but I think Sage was a little better, or at least a little more consistent.

Seneca was capable of incredibly brilliant plays, but he was also capable of games like the 2002 OU and KSU games.

His electrifying moments will always be etched in our fanbase's memory, and he lead us to the highest ranking in school history.
 
Seneca Wallace IS overrated on this board. He's one of the greatest players we've had at ISU, but I think Sage was a little better, or at least a little more consistent.

Seneca was capable of incredibly brilliant plays, but he was also capable of games like the 2002 OU and KSU games.

His electrifying moments will always be etched in our fanbase's memory, and he lead us to the highest ranking in school history.

I like both but I will play the other side of this.

Sage had much more surrounding talent.
Sage played a much easier schedule.
Sage had a better O line which didn't have him running for his life
 
The best team we beat in 2000 was Kansas who was 4-7. Otherwise we had 7 wins against teams that won 3 games or less. Iowa was horrible. We didn't play Texas or Oklahoma that year either. Sage had talent like JJ Moses, James Reed, Reggie Heywood, etc on his team.

In 2002 Iowa State played Florida State, an 11 win Iowa team, Oklahoma, Texas, etc.
 
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