Some things about ISU for Virginia lurkers to chew on.

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As a way to figure out how we may perform against Virginia, I wanted to look at the reasons we lost games this year to see if there was anything in common. By and large, teams that beat us this year did so in four ways:


  1. Other team shot out of their minds
  2. Playing three games in six days, aka fatigue
  3. Playing at another team's arena
  4. Jameel McKay issues (suspended multiple games; played very poorly due to bad attitude in a handful of other games)

Allow me to explain with a look at each loss:

12/19 – UNI: shot out of their minds. A statistical anomaly, making 13-22 (59%) on threes…and we still only lost by two with a chance to win at the buzzer. UNI averaged 37% on threes for the year. We were in this until the end.

1/2 – @ Oklahoma: Monte missed a three that would’ve given us the lead with 10 seconds left. Road game. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their minds.†We were in this until the end.

1/9 – Baylor: shot out of their minds in making 34-65 (52%). Baylor shot 46.5% on the year. We were in this until the end.

1/12 - @ Texas: Third game in 6 days. Texas shot out of their minds, making 13-31 threes. Shooting that many threes and making 42% is a statistical anomaly, especially for a team that shot 34% on the year. We were in this until the end.

1/30 – @ Texas A&M: played close. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their mindsâ€; we were in this until the end.

2/2 – West Virginia: Third game in 6 days. Niang had 8 turnovers. McKay was pouty and played very poorly. we were in this until the end.

2/10 - @ Texas Tech: this game was crap, with a kid for Tech banking in a 38 footer in the final 1:30. Overtime loss. McKay did not play. Our worst bench man Jordan Ashton played 28 minutes. Nuff said. Once again… we were in this until the end.

2/16 - @ Baylor: Third game in six days. Once again Baylor shot out of their minds in making 35-65 (53.8%). Baylor shot 46.5% on the year. McKay was pouty – 5 fouls and no points in 20 minutes. We were in this until the end.

2/22 - @ West Virginia: McKay had 5 fouls in 20 minutes. I would also add that the way the refs called this game dictated the outcome; WVU mauled us and somehow we were called for 21 fouls while they had 14. Home cooking at its finest.

3/5 - @ Kansas: like A&M – we played close. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their mindsâ€; however, we were in this until the end.

3/10 – Oklahoma (big 12 tournament): like Kansas and A&M – we played close. It took one of Buddy Hield’s best performances of the year for them to win by 3. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their mindsâ€; we were in this until the end.

In summation: 7 of 11 losses came on the road (9 if you want to count neutral site games).
In four of the losses, the other team played to an extreme statistical anomaly.
Three games were lost as being a result of being the third game in six days.
Four losses we either had pouty or no Mckay.

Of the 11 losses, I would argue that the only games we were outplayed due to non-extenuating factors were: @ Oklahoma, @ Kansas, @ Texas A&M, and Oklahoma again in Kansas City with an injured Monte (shoulder). EACH OF THESE TEAMS ARE STILL IN THE TOURNAMENT FOR A REASON. NOT SURPRISINGLY, NONE OF THE OTHER TEAMS WE LOST TO REMAIN IN THE TOURNAMENT.

Factoring in our extenuating circumstances, and removing them and extrapolating over a full season, we are truly more of a 25-7 or 26-6 type of team RIGHT NOW. In other words, a 1-2 seed.

Looking at this information alone may seem like one large excuse for a somewhat disappointing season. But there is actually a lot one can glean from these losses because the issues that persisted seem to be mostly gone RIGHT NOW:


  • It is obviously difficult to completely control teams shooting out of their minds; however, our defense over the past two games has been some of the best of the season. I will also add that Paul Jesperson, Isaiah Taylor, Buddy Hield, Ryan Motley (twice) and Jaysean Page played one of the if not the best games of their careers against us. I don’t see that happening again any more this season as fatigue isn’t going to be an issue with all the rest we’ve been granted, Monte being healthy, and McKay being back.
  • Reiterating: fatigue is no longer a factor, as we have six days to prepare for Virginia.
  • McKay issues are gone. Period.
  • Playing at another team’s arena will not be an issue, as there will be over 10k Cyclones in Chicago.

We're also playing the best we've played all season right now. Our connectedness is at a season high.

Go Clones!
 
I get where you're going with this, but I'm sure UVA could play this game too and frankly, I don't want to read it! UVA only has seven losses, all on the road or neutral courts (@ 24-10 GW, @ 19-14 VaTech, @ 19-14 GaTech, @ 19-13 FSU, @ Duke, @ Miami, UNC); their loss margins are 5, 2, 4, 7, 1, 3 & 4;

They are an excellent team with a very impressive resume; for the life of me, I can't understand why I'm so confident ISU will prevail Friday evening!!!
 
To sum up games lost prior to McKay's suspension were due to poor defense, rebounding, shot selection, and too many TO's or general lack of the team meshing together with the coach.

Games lost during McKay's suspension were due to lack of depth, poor defense, rebounding, shot selection, TO's.

Games lost when McKay returned were due to below average defense, rebounding, shot selection, TO's.

Last 3 Games lost were due to TO's, and Monte's health.
 
Sorry, but this thread reeks of excuses.

"we were in this until the end" reads like moral victories. We lost those games- no point in justifying it by the player personnel issues, opponent's players having their best games, ISU "underperforming" or an opponent "overperforming", officiating, etc. The same case made in the thread could be falsely argued by any other NCAA team.

Own your losses. If anything ISU is a better team NOW because of those losses.
 
Left off a key factor in almost every loss. **** poor rebounding, specifically defensive rebounding where teams like OU, BU, KU and WVU made us pay dearly on second chance points.
I will say this, the face Virginia doesn't crash the offensive boards bodes very well for us. Will force Virginia to be extremely efficient offensively to keep up with ISU on points.
Can't wait, will be a battle
 
This feels like full on excuses even if some of it is true. I'm however, not going to help things because I think our loss to OK in the Big 12 tourney was at least partly due to Tom Eades being the worst official to ever don the stripes in college basketball.
 
relevance?

As a way to figure out how we may perform against Virginia, I wanted to look at the reasons we lost games this year to see if there was anything in common. By and large, teams that beat us this year did so in four ways:


  1. Other team shot out of their minds
  2. Playing three games in six days, aka fatigue
  3. Playing at another team's arena
  4. Jameel McKay issues (suspended multiple games; played very poorly due to bad attitude in a handful of other games)

Allow me to explain with a look at each loss:

12/19 – UNI: shot out of their minds. A statistical anomaly, making 13-22 (59%) on threes…and we still only lost by two with a chance to win at the buzzer. UNI averaged 37% on threes for the year. We were in this until the end.

1/2 – @ Oklahoma: Monte missed a three that would’ve given us the lead with 10 seconds left. Road game. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their minds.” We were in this until the end.

1/9 – Baylor: shot out of their minds in making 34-65 (52%). Baylor shot 46.5% on the year. We were in this until the end.

1/12 - @ Texas: Third game in 6 days. Texas shot out of their minds, making 13-31 threes. Shooting that many threes and making 42% is a statistical anomaly, especially for a team that shot 34% on the year. We were in this until the end.

1/30 – @ Texas A&M: played close. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their minds”; we were in this until the end.

2/2 – West Virginia: Third game in 6 days. Niang had 8 turnovers. McKay was pouty and played very poorly. we were in this until the end.

2/10 - @ Texas Tech: this game was crap, with a kid for Tech banking in a 38 footer in the final 1:30. Overtime loss. McKay did not play. Our worst bench man Jordan Ashton played 28 minutes. Nuff said. Once again… we were in this until the end.

2/16 - @ Baylor: Third game in six days. Once again Baylor shot out of their minds in making 35-65 (53.8%). Baylor shot 46.5% on the year. McKay was pouty – 5 fouls and no points in 20 minutes. We were in this until the end.

2/22 - @ West Virginia: McKay had 5 fouls in 20 minutes. I would also add that the way the refs called this game dictated the outcome; WVU mauled us and somehow we were called for 21 fouls while they had 14. Home cooking at its finest.

3/5 - @ Kansas: like A&M – we played close. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their minds”; however, we were in this until the end.

3/10 – Oklahoma (big 12 tournament): like Kansas and A&M – we played close. It took one of Buddy Hield’s best performances of the year for them to win by 3. Not much in common with the premise of no McKay or “shot out of their minds”; we were in this until the end.

In summation: 7 of 11 losses came on the road (9 if you want to count neutral site games).
In four of the losses, the other team played to an extreme statistical anomaly.
Three games were lost as being a result of being the third game in six days.
Four losses we either had pouty or no Mckay.

Of the 11 losses, I would argue that the only games we were outplayed due to non-extenuating factors were: @ Oklahoma, @ Kansas, @ Texas A&M, and Oklahoma again in Kansas City with an injured Monte (shoulder). EACH OF THESE TEAMS ARE STILL IN THE TOURNAMENT FOR A REASON. NOT SURPRISINGLY, NONE OF THE OTHER TEAMS WE LOST TO REMAIN IN THE TOURNAMENT.

Factoring in our extenuating circumstances, and removing them and extrapolating over a full season, we are truly more of a 25-7 or 26-6 type of team RIGHT NOW. In other words, a 1-2 seed.

Looking at this information alone may seem like one large excuse for a somewhat disappointing season. But there is actually a lot one can glean from these losses because the issues that persisted seem to be mostly gone RIGHT NOW:


  • It is obviously difficult to completely control teams shooting out of their minds; however, our defense over the past two games has been some of the best of the season. I will also add that Paul Jesperson, Isaiah Taylor, Buddy Hield, Ryan Motley (twice) and Jaysean Page played one of the if not the best games of their careers against us. I don’t see that happening again any more this season as fatigue isn’t going to be an issue with all the rest we’ve been granted, Monte being healthy, and McKay being back.
  • Reiterating: fatigue is no longer a factor, as we have six days to prepare for Virginia.
  • McKay issues are gone. Period.
  • Playing at another team’s arena will not be an issue, as there will be over 10k Cyclones in Chicago.

We're also playing the best we've played all season right now. Our connectedness is at a season high.

Go Clones!
 
After doing some digging, it also appears that in every game we lost this year, the other team scored more points than us.
 
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We praise the Virginia people coming on here spinning their best story about their team and then when we have a fan who obviously is spinning our best story, everyone gets ******.

Iowa State fans always think the worst about their teams.
 
Another way of saying "shot out their minds?"

How about "we defended poorly."

A bit of both. Seems the perception is we gave up lots of threes. In league play we were #1 in three point defense % which surprised me. We had more threes shot against than anyone else but gave up only 33%.

We were #6th in overall defense percentage so the easy shots we were giving up were not from three.
 
We praise the Virginia people coming on here spinning their best story about their team and then when we have a fan who obviously is spinning our best story, everyone gets ******.

Iowa State fans always think the worst about their teams.

Really, this. We have just played two terrific back-to-back games with very good defense and super efficient offense and everyone is projecting our worst moments from when we were not playing as well.

I don't know if we will win Friday but I see no good reason to be pessimistic.
 
Tough crowd! :twitcy:

We obviously have our flaws. The overarching point of my post was to show that, while we did struggle to finish games and to guard the best players, there were issues existing that contributed to it that no longer exist.

I've seen us grow out of a lot of issues these past few games, and surely my Cyclone brethren can agree to that.
 

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