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Potential Transfers '14

MuseumFaux said:
It seems like the transfer pool is getting deeper each year as well. Even if the 'elite' schools start going after the quality transfers there seem to be an increasing number of them each year. Another thing to consider is how many schools with a seemingly endless supply of 5* recruits are going to use a scholarship on a guy who has to sit out a year? The graduate transfer is one thing, but if you are a school without many roster spots to burn and talented youngsters lining up to attend I don't see a huge shift to poach the transfer market.
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13 scholarships a year. If any programs can afford to hold one back for transfers season it is the teams that are usually loaded with plenty of recruits to field a competitive team even with an open scholly.
 
bawbie said:
That presupposes that ISU is not an elite team at said time in the future.
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No, it doesn't. I said "MORE elite teams" not "elite teams". I typically define "more" as "larger than the current amount." I count ISU as one since I fully expect them to be a consistently excellent team moving forward. They will just have MORE elite teams going after transfers to compete against.
 
twocoach said:
So teams like UK and KU don't find themselves in a position where they have a hole in their roster or a weakness that needs to be addressed? Hasn't everyone on this site commented on the PG situation at Kansas over the last 12 months? Maybe if KU didn't already have a scholarship tied up in recruit Frank Mason, a bottom of the Top 100 recruit that wasn't expected to be a major contributor Year One, they could have made a run at landing Deandre Kane, a PG option who absoluteley WOULD have been a huge contributor Year One. That's my point. I think these bigger schools are going to start looking at what they are getting with that last scholarship and what they could have gotten instead and start holding back a scholarship for transfer season. Do you think that Kane would have considered attending Kansas if they went after him?
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No, because there is only one FocusTown.
 
twocoach said:
So ISU will get MORE good transfers as more good schools begin to hold scholarships open to use to offer to transfers? It's not that elite recruiting schools weren't going after these transfers because they didn't see them as "premium types", it is because they had typically awarded all of their scholarships to recruits and had none left when transfer season opened. Now, it looks like more of the premium recruiting schools could hold a scholly back to use in the transfer market rather than use it on an end of the bench recruit that may very well transfer AWAY from their program after sitting behind premium recruits. If, as some ISU fans have stated on this site, it is hard to recruit against these blue blood programs, wouldn't it also be hard to recruit against these programs for transfers? Dejean-Jones picked Iowa State over Arizona STATE, not Arizona. Kane picked ISU over Pitt, USC, Memphis and St. Mary's, not Duke, Carolina and Kansas. I think more big schools recruiting in the transfer pool might mean less top quality transfers to ISU. We'll see. Some of the big schools may take a while to feel comfortable transitioning into holding that scholly open to see who is available on the transfer market at the end of the year.
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You forgot Kentucky. They wanted him when they thought the Harrisons might leave. He committed to us before they decided to stay. Convenient you forgot them.
 
peteypie said:
You forgot Kentucky. They wanted him when they thought the Harrisons might leave. He committed to us before they decided to stay. Convenient you forgot them.
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BDJ was the one who contacted Kentucky. Cal was not interested.
 
None of that disputes what I have regarding the whole situation.

Assistant coaches did their due diligence. Contacted BDJ. Cal ultimately decided no. Had BDJ contact Cal so he could deliver the news.

They didn't actively pursue him.

Of course, none of this really matters. Back to stealth mode.
 
IbSvU said:
Yep
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Sounds right.

We have gotten premium players from the transfer market, but not necessarily premium recruits. Twocoach is full of his normal ignorance in hoping that the transfer market will be less kind to ISU in the future. Fred has rebuilt the program in large part by having success with guys that most of the top programs thought were not worth it for one reason or another (average talent, baggage, 2 for 1). The other large parts have been due to circumstance (prior relationship, fear of flying)- which is always big in any type of recruiting. This will not change, and certainly is not some systemic advantage we had that is going away like twocoach hopes.

Now that Fred has more to sell and there continues to be more transfers, it is reasonable to expect ISU to have just as much success, if not more, in transfer recruiting. Elites may start to devote more efforts in recruiting the Tarik Black transfers or the Ryan Anderson's, but they are not going to be lining up for the Chris Allen, Chris Babb, or even Kane's. To think otherwise ignores the huge opportunity cost at places like UK or UNC. However, the elites going after more transfers (especially redshirts), will help push down more elite high school recruits, just as ISU's profile goes up.
 
IbSvU said:
None of that disputes what I have regarding the whole situation.

Assistant coaches did their due diligence. Contacted BDJ. Cal ultimately decided no. Had BDJ contact Cal so he could deliver the news.

They didn't actively pursue him.

Of course, none of this really matters. Back to stealth mode.
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I guess I'll just have to trust you:skeptical:

Cal may have ultimately said he didn't want him because he knew the Harrisons were leaning towards staying, however I'm not sure you can dispute that Kentucky assistants were the first to reach out to BDJ. Whether they backed off or not, there was interest.

I'm sure somehow you have inside information on the situation. But seemingly all of Kentucky media did not have access to this same info. Google Bryce Desean-Jones Kentucky. All I see is articles about their interest, nothing about how Cal ultimately didn't want him.
 
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If Cal thought the Harrison's were gone, he would have been all over BDJ or another transfer option.
 
twocoach said:
13 scholarships a year. If any programs can afford to hold one back for transfers season it is the teams that are usually loaded with plenty of recruits to field a competitive team even with an open scholly.
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Seriously? Just admit you were wrong and move on. No top level transfer will want to go to a school where they will have to compete for minutes (especially those with only 1 year of eligibility) with a bunch of one-and-dones, 5 stars, 4 stars, and McD all americans. They want to make the biggest impact they can in order to get noticed by NBA scouts.
Transfers that are role players (like Tariq Black) have no issues with the limited minutes, etc and will be the ones transferring to those blue blood programs. The UK and KU's of the world do not want to upset their one-and-done's and hurt themselves in that market.
 
swarthmoreCY said:
Sounds right.

We have gotten premium players from the transfer market, but not necessarily premium recruits. Twocoach is full of his normal ignorance in hoping that the transfer market will be less kind to ISU in the future. Fred has rebuilt the program in large part by having success with guys that most of the top programs thought were not worth it for one reason or another (average talent, baggage, 2 for 1). The other large parts have been due to circumstance (prior relationship, fear of flying)- which is always big in any type of recruiting. This will not change, and certainly is not some systemic advantage we had that is going away like twocoach hopes.

Now that Fred has more to sell and there continues to be more transfers, it is reasonable to expect ISU to have just as much success, if not more, in transfer recruiting. Elites may start to devote more efforts in recruiting the Tarik Black transfers or the Ryan Anderson's, but they are not going to be lining up for the Chris Allen, Chris Babb, or even Kane's. To think otherwise ignores the huge opportunity cost at places like UK or UNC. However, the elites going after more transfers (especially redshirts), will help push down more elite high school recruits, just as ISU's profile goes up.
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I have to agree with your statement. Why twocoach says that ISU is going to not be as good in the transfer market comes with absolutely nothing to back it up shows his ignorance and that he's a troll. Just because other programs are going to want to look into the transfer market more, with the success that ISU has had, there's no reason to doubt they'll drop off and not pick it up a blue chip transfer annually (assuming Fred has a spot for one each year). It's still funny how some people still back up this guy.
 
twocoach said:
13 scholarships a year. If any programs can afford to hold one back for transfers season it is the teams that are usually loaded with plenty of recruits to field a competitive team even with an open scholly.
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Enough for a team to pass on a 4-star or 5-star recruit that wants to come there?

ISU is in our current situation that we are because we are not yet at the position to land a roster full of 5-star guys. I can't imagine CFH or any sensible coach telling someone like Diallo that he's not going to take him because he's waiting to see who might transfer at the end of the year.

Let me know how Jaywawk fans react when Self opts not to pursue a guy that they are in on so he can check out the transfers. Then let me know how they would react when they do this and then lose out on the transfer..... to us.
 
peteypie said:
You forgot Kentucky. They wanted him when they thought the Harrisons might leave. He committed to us before they decided to stay. Convenient you forgot them.
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But they didn't leave, which means that he didn't choose ISU over Kentucky because Kentucky never had a scholly to offer him. I didn't forget Kentucky, you just forgot there's a difference between showing interest in a guy in case you have an opening and offering a guy a scholly.
 
GTO said:
Seriously? Just admit you were wrong and move on. No top level transfer will want to go to a school where they will have to compete for minutes (especially those with only 1 year of eligibility) with a bunch of one-and-dones, 5 stars, 4 stars, and McD all americans. They want to make the biggest impact they can in order to get noticed by NBA scouts. Transfers that are role players (like Tariq Black) have no issues with the limited minutes, etc and will be the ones transferring to those blue blood programs. The UK and KU's of the world do not want to upset their one-and-done's and hurt themselves in that market.
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Believe it or not, but these teams don't have 5 star guys and OAD guys at every single position (well, Kentucky does right now but that's another topic...). Did you watch Naadir Tharpe play last year? He sucked and Self knows it. Self recruited right over the top of that kid without hesitation. Good luck trying to convince me that Self wouldn't have taken a very good PG transfer if one was available. He tried this year but switched to Graham when his eligibility stuff got cleared up and was available.
 
coolerifyoudid said:
Enough for a team to pass on a 4-star or 5-star recruit that wants to come there? ISU is in our current situation that we are because we are not yet at the position to land a roster full of 5-star guys. I can't imagine CFH or any sensible coach telling someone like Diallo that he's not going to take him because he's waiting to see who might transfer at the end of the year. Let me know how Jaywawk fans react when Self opts not to pursue a guy that they are in on so he can check out the transfers. Then let me know how they would react when they do this and then lose out on the transfer..... to us.
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Not every guy recruit that goes to KU is a 5 star guy. Anyone ever hear of Anrio Adams? Zack Peters? What a waste of a scholarship those were. Peters never played at all and Adams transferred when he saw he would never play. It's guys like that that Self should stop signing and hold on to his scholly. Obviously he won't pass up a 5 star guy. I guess in the end we'll just have to see if the big boys start dipping into the transfer market more. My guess is they do. It sounds like you are saying they won't. We'll see.
 
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