Official Missouri Post Game Thread

[cycloneworld]

Lets be real here. Would you rather win 1-2 more games? or get a new coach?

That answer is pretty easy. I would sign for the latter if I had to.

That answer IS pretty easy...win 1-2 more games. Going 4-12 vs. 2-14 in the conference isn't going to save Mac's job.

But these players put in a ton of time and effort for Iowa State basketball, they deserve to win a few more games. There should be NO fan that is rooting for us to lose the rest of our games. None.

 

[bawbie]

you say that as if making the tournament is actually a possibility next year.

It is possible, especially since a game hasn't even been played yet. and I'm ******* sick of all the people who aren't satisfied with giving up and burying the team for this season, they have to do it for next season to.

 

[bawbie]

We lose because we have only 7 players? Last year we used scholarships for Eikmeier, Mann and Pomlee - none who are here anymore. If McD had used those scholarships for 3 B12 caliber players we would then have 10 players available.

I guess we should blame our losses on the Evil Transfer Ghost.

Just curious, who would those "3 B12 caliber players" be?

 

[Dryburn]

+1

There's a lot of blame to go around, but did anyone else think that Garrett's turnover with about 6 minutes left was the key of the game? It was one of the first chances ISU had to take the lead, and Garrett was doing nothing but dribbling himself into a corner. As good as Garrett was in the first half, he can't ever seem to put together a solid game for 40 minutes.

What drives me nuts about DG being the the PG position is that he does not seem to see the floor very well. Colvin and even Buckley are much better at seeing where the other players are, and where they will be. DG dribbles way too much, and when he dribbles, he usually has his back to the rim, and is totally unaware of the position of the other players. He has to learn to be looking inside. Once he does that, the players will be more willing to cut to the basket and screen for him.

One perfect example of this tonight was once CB set a ball screen for DG, then he slid off it, and was open rignt on the free throw line, but DG had his head down, never turned around, and never even looked back at CB. What the hell was the screen for, if you are not going to try and work something off of it.

DG is also way too soft with his passes. He is terrible at the soft lob pass over a close defender. He should never throw anything into Brackins in the set play except bounce passes, and if he can't do that then start Colvin.

Colvin can be a turn-over machine too, but at least he sees the floor better and seems to understand offensive basketball much more than DG. Colvin's basketball IQ is much higher, IMO.

 

[BigBake]

Some of Eustachy's best teams were down to only 6 or 7 scholarship players but he had some key walkons who helped pick up the slack. Remember Clint Varley. John Neal also got a lot of minutes as a walk on.

No, neither Varley or Neal played on anything that can be considered one of LE's "great" teams.

They played because LE's teams were having the same issue we are...players leaving, not making to school, etc. Same crap different season.

 

[Enginerd]

There's a lot of blame to go around, but did anyone else think that Garrett's turnover with about 6 minutes left was the key of the game? It was one of the first chances ISU had to take the lead, and Garrett was doing nothing but dribbling himself into a corner. As good as Garrett was in the first half, he can't ever seem to put together a solid game for 40 minutes.

If it's the play I am thinking of, the rest of the team was just standing around while DG was getting trapped. Not a DG apologist but I was pretty disgusted with the whole teams and coaching staff on that one.

 

[BigBake]

We lose because we have only 7 players? Last year we used scholarships for Eikmeier, Mann and Pomlee - none who are here anymore. If McD had used those scholarships for 3 B12 caliber players we would then have 10 players available.

Again the "Mac passed on Big 12 caliber players in favor of lesser talented players" theory is trouted out.

Stop the insanity...Mac is recruiting the best players he can. By that I mean players with an actual interest in coming to ISU.

 

[Enginerd]

No, you're right. The players need to do a better job finishing around the hoop. Where McDermott has failed as a coach is the mental part of the game. Have you ever seen a team make so many junior high plays in one season?

Here is a list of things to work on:

Going to the basket out of control (mainly Gilstrap but not limited to rest of team) Each player holding the ball for an average of 6.8 seconds before passing.
Not finding the 3 point shooter, every time down the court.
Dribbling and picking the ball up in a corner.
Giving up rebounding position while the ball is in the air.
Knowing where you are at all time on the court (how many times have we stepped on the line?)

Our guys just don't have the mental toughness and basketball IQ that it takes to win a game. Especially a close game. And I would say 90% of that falls on McDermott.

they don't have the physical toughness either. Look around the league (or at an ugly orange jersey school in the east). Players get bigger and stronger. That has just not happened the last four years.

 

[ajk4st8]

Again the "Mac passed on Big 12 caliber players in favor of lesser talented players" theory is trouted out.

Stop the insanity...Mac is recruiting the best players he can. By that I mean players with an actual interest in coming to ISU.

He is either failing miserably at it.... or just really bad at coaching when he gets them here.

 

[Enginerd]

Again the "Mac passed on Big 12 caliber players in favor of lesser talented players" theory is trouted out.

Stop the insanity...Mac is recruiting the best players he can. By that I mean players with an actual interest in coming to ISU.

Yeah...it's the programs fault. McD has nothing to do with it.

 

[StLouisClone]

He should have planned to lose 5 scholarship guys for this particular game??

Only JVB (injury), Boozer (injury) and Dendy (family) were beyond Mac's control. Pomlee got kicked off the team so that's a recruiting mistake. Lucca left on his own so that's either a recruiting mistake or a Wesley Johnson-type mistake.

Oklahoma was missing their top 2 scorers and still got it done against ISU.

 

[Torks Pub]

I get the gist of what I will read tonight (ie Mac sucks, he has to go, no effort etc), but at some point don't guys NEED to make layups/dunks on their own - or is that Mac's fault as well.

I know this season is in the crapper, but we played tonight with 7 players, 2 of which are post players, a guy with mono and a guy who wasn't even in our top 11 to start the year and almost won at Mizzou (how many home games have they lost in 3 years?).

I know MU played like crap, but no reason that couldn't have been a little bit about us?? As I have already read - well ya, but Baylor plays with 7 and so and so plays with 8. BUT THEY HAVE MORE OPTIONS. We have NO other scholarship players. We played tonight without 4 of our top 10 players when the season started (and 3 of the top 7). Baylor is playing with all 7 of their top players - big difference.

The other thing I keep reading is who else would do this with two NBA guys. We have a 20-30 first rounder in CB and a possible 2nd rounder in MG. Not like we have 2 lottery picks. I'm sure Carolina has 8 potential NBA players but they are struggling as well.

I know it is easy to throw Mac under the bus, but save a game or two this team keeps playing and keeps games close, they just can't get over the hump which is frustrating to all of us. I just wish people would at least think a little before all blame for everything goes on Mac's head.

Here's a scenario/question for you Mr. Co-Owner.

Let's say the D.Albaugh Chemical company needs to remove a sales manager because he is a horrible manager of his territory and the company is suffering due to his lack of effort in sales of the products.

A new sales manager is hired and he starts off fairly well but soon he loses his best salesman. His sales suffer to the point that his volume is not as good as the previous sales manager. Soon, he loses another top sales producer and his sales tumble more. The last sale person who left does so right after a performance review that rated him highly, but the sales person left anyway and the manager is unsure why.

He almost gets a couple of big accounts, but without the sales muscle in place , he can't quite land them. Sales fall a bit more. The home office in Ankeny is getting uncomfortable and the company profits suffer from the lack of volume in that market.

Is his low sales volume due to bad luck even though the product is high quality/competitively priced? Would the company be willing to invest more time in this manager given his performance? Is four years in this previously established territory long enough? Should he be held accountable for the top performers bailing on him?

I am not advocating that the coach be shown the door yet as I am willing to let the season play out, but past performance is indicative of future results.

I think you would agree that there is, and should be, concern.

 

[beans4cy]

If you think that having Colvin who was 1-4 at the time and had already missed some layups, drive to the basket when behind by 1 point is putting the team in a position to win......well.... Or having SC take his first shots of the night from 3 point range in the last three minutes of the game, or having Colvin take one a few seconds later. Or maybe it was having CB and Gilstrap at least 20 feet from the basket that made you think the players were being put in a position to win.

Yeah, if they shoot the ball better the last two games, ISU could have won. That could probably be said about 30-40 per cent of the teams in the country.

What makes many of us think that Mac is a poor coach is that the same old problems have existed, and continue to exist, and there is no progress made. The team is now 24 games into the season, and still are not a good rebounding team, still cannot prevent the other team from driving the lane without fouling, does not play help defense, is not good at free-throw shooting, and cannot finish under the basket on put-backs or drives. Most of the time they do not look like they have a clue as to what they are supposed to be doing offensively. At some point, that falls on the coaching.......especially when the problems continue to exist 24 games into the season.

You are so right. I am not sure why I bother to try and post as occasionally as I do. We are a poor rebounding team that was beat on the boards by two and also just outrebounded K State one of the more physical teams in the league.

We don't play good D by letting the opposing team shoot 39% from the field and an entire 65 points. I thought we played help defense many times, especially Hamilton but I may have been seeing things with the picked up charges and such.

Christopherson was wide open sick or not he has made that shot. He missed it, as well as many other misses.

Complain all you want about coaching, but I personally do not see it. I am not happy with out progress in year 4 either, and wish Mac had us further along but this game is in no way on him. If you think that way I just completely disagree with you.

 

[BigBake]

Yeah...it's the programs fault. McD has nothing to do with it.

Please...it's everything about the program AND the coach. You can't force any player to go where he doesn't want. Very very rare that a new coach comes in with a built in recruiting magic....especially when the best you can get is a Mid Major to take over your program.

 

[bellzisu]

No, neither Varley or Neal played on anything that can be considered one of LE's "great" teams.

They played because LE's teams were having the same issue we are...players leaving, not making to school, etc. Same crap different season.

Varley played in 16 games in our 2 great years averaging 2 minutes per game those 2 season. He played more the next 2 years even starting a game or two his sr year.

John Neal was a freshman LE's final year.

Like Big Bake said.. Niether played any minutes that mattered during the Great teams. Neal wasn't even around till 2003.

 

[wags]

Again the "Mac passed on Big 12 caliber players in favor of lesser talented players" theory is trouted out.

Stop the insanity...Mac is recruiting the best players he can. By that I mean players with an actual interest in coming to ISU.

Didn't mac say that they couldn't go after players that were academic risks ala Jacob Pullen, instead they had to take guys that would keep the GPA up?

 

[BigBake]

Didn't mac say that they couldn't go after players that were academic risks ala Jacob Pullen, instead they had to take guys that would keep the GPA up?

Yup, kinda ties his hands behind his back so to speak.

 

[blazear]

We lose because we have only 7 players? Last year we used scholarships for Eikmeier, Mann and Pomlee - none who are here anymore. If McD had used those scholarships for 3 B12 caliber players we would then have 10 players available.

I guess we should blame our losses on the Evil Transfer Ghost.

So Vanderbeeken, Dendy, or Lucca aren't Big 12 caliber players? Those guys are his fault?

 

[BigBake]

Varley played in 16 games in our 2 great years averaging 2 minutes per game those 2 season. He played more the next 2 years even starting a game or two his sr year.

John Neal was a freshman LE's final year.

And coach was killed on for having us in a situation where we playing walk ons.

This problem has been around too long under various coaches and I'm sick of it.

 

[Wesley]

Didn't mac say that they couldn't go after players that were academic risks ala Jacob Pullen, instead they had to take guys that would keep the GPA up?

Well, Marsden quit.