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chrishull14

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• Iowa State: Monte Morris is the best point guard in the country. There is no argument. Naz Long and Bryce Dejean-Jones aren't bad sidekicks, either, and you can almost count Georges Niang as a guard, he's such a terrific passer. Little shaky defensively.


http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=4602Transfers who made the right decision

3. Bryce Dejean-Jones, Iowa State Cyclones (from UNLV)

The talented, well-traveled wing has finally found a home after bouncing from USC to UNLV and now to Ames. Dejean-Jones is the latest Fred Hoiberg transfer project and it’s working. He’s averaging 12.9 points, six boards, three assists and has been far more efficient shooting the ball.

5. Jameel McKay, Iowa State Cyclones (from Marquette)

He spent his first two seasons in the junior college ranks, then bolted Marquette after one semester in which he didn’t play a single minute. It looked like a terrible decision at the time, but McKay became eligible at the break and has been a difference-maker for the Cyclones due to his size, length and athleticism. Another reason it looks even better? The guy who recruited him to Marquette, Buzz Williams, left for Virginia Tech.
 
Also "Not to be picky, but there is a difference between deepest and best. The Big 12 arguably is the deepest conference in the country, with eight of its 10 teams likely to get an NCAA bid. But best? It is not the best. Of those eight teams, how many look like Sweet 16-at-best teams versus Final Four contenders? Maybe two -- Kansas and Iowa State. Meantime, the ACC has two teams that will be legit Final Four picks (Duke and Virginia), one pretty good long shot (North Carolina) and one team that on a good shooting day has a chance (Louisville). Then add in Notre Dame, capable of a two-weekend run, and NC State, another tough out, and the ACC is the best league in the nation."
 
mj4cy said:
Also "Not to be picky, but there is a difference between deepest and best. The Big 12 arguably is the deepest conference in the country, with eight of its 10 teams likely to get an NCAA bid. But best? It is not the best. Of those eight teams, how many look like Sweet 16-at-best teams versus Final Four contenders? Maybe two -- Kansas and Iowa State. Meantime, the ACC has two teams that will be legit Final Four picks (Duke and Virginia), one pretty good long shot (North Carolina) and one team that on a good shooting day has a chance (Louisville). Then add in Notre Dame, capable of a two-weekend run, and NC State, another tough out, and the ACC is the best league in the nation."
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I think the argument can be made that the bolded can be replaced with below and it doesn't sound absurd, not to mention that the ACC has 15 teams compared to the big 12's 10 teams.

Meantime, the Big 12 has two teams that will be legit Final Four picks (Kansas and Iowa State), one pretty good long shot (Texas) and one team that on a good shooting day has a chance (Oklahoma). Then add in Baylor, capable of a two-weekend run, and WVU, another tough out, and the Big 12 is the best league in the nation."
 
mj4cy said:
Also "Not to be picky, but there is a difference between deepest and best. The Big 12 arguably is the deepest conference in the country, with eight of its 10 teams likely to get an NCAA bid. But best? It is not the best. Of those eight teams, how many look like Sweet 16-at-best teams versus Final Four contenders? Maybe two -- Kansas and Iowa State. Meantime, the ACC has two teams that will be legit Final Four picks (Duke and Virginia), one pretty good long shot (North Carolina) and one team that on a good shooting day has a chance (Louisville). Then add in Notre Dame, capable of a two-weekend run, and NC State, another tough out, and the ACC is the best league in the nation."
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I think you are short changing some teams in the B12. Everything in the NCAAs is about matchups. Texas just whooped a team that I thought would be their kryptonite, I figured WVUs guards would give them so much trouble there would be no way. But their bigs just dominated inside, Texas could make a nice run in the tourney. WVU could make a nice run, always nice to have dominate guard, ask UConn. OU has the inside toughness and the outside scoring to beat anyone in the country. KU is KU Self will get their defense worked around, they won't be easy to play against late in the year. ISU as we all know has the ability to take advantage of almost any matchup. That is 5 teams that I would say have a chance to get to the sweet 16, and potentially further based on who they play.

Maybe the B12 doesn't have a dominate team like the ACC, or even the SEC with Kentucky, but being the deepest league can certainly mean it is the best league.
 
cyclonespiker33 said:
I think the argument can be made that the bolded can be replaced with below and it doesn't sound absurd, not to mention that the ACC has 15 teams compared to the big 12's 10 teams.

Meantime, the Big 12 has two teams that will be legit Final Four picks (Kansas and Iowa State), one pretty good long shot (Texas) and one team that on a good shooting day has a chance (Oklahoma). Then add in Baylor, capable of a two-weekend run, and WVU, another tough out, and the Big 12 is the best league in the nation."
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I think you said better than I did. But we are saying basically the same thing. I don't think you can take what happens on a game by game basis in the B12 and apply to any other conference. Right now we have 7 teams ranked and an unranked team is leading the conference. That should tell you how deep and good this league is. There are going to be a lot of very good teams between 7 and 11 conference wins this year in the B12.
 
Bewilderme said:
Goodman, do your research! McKay didn't even stay for one semester. He left before the team had even played a game.
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He may have announced he was transferring before their first game, but he was there a semester.
 
ISU42 said:
He may have announced he was transferring before their first game, but he was there a semester.
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McKay deciding to go to Marquette may have been his worst short-term decision. Leaving Marquette and positioning himself to come to Iowa State may have been his best long-term decision.
 
mj4cy said:
Also "Not to be picky, but there is a difference between deepest and best. The Big 12 arguably is the deepest conference in the country, with eight of its 10 teams likely to get an NCAA bid. But best? It is not the best. Of those eight teams, how many look like Sweet 16-at-best teams versus Final Four contenders? Maybe two -- Kansas and Iowa State. Meantime, the ACC has two teams that will be legit Final Four picks (Duke and Virginia), one pretty good long shot (North Carolina) and one team that on a good shooting day has a chance (Louisville). Then add in Notre Dame, capable of a two-weekend run, and NC State, another tough out, and the ACC is the best league in the nation."
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Not so fast my friend!

Oklahoma looks just as good as ISU and KU to me. They have great guard play and that is big come tournament time. Jury is still out on Texas but as Thomas gels back in I think they will get much better. Mark this post and call me out at selection time. I think Big XII can have 4 teams seeded 3 or higher which I think classifies them as Final Four caliber. Put it this way, if you call NC a longshot Final 4, you have to call Texas and OU longshot Final 4. In the arena of tough outs, Baylor is certainly there and I am afraid KSU will be also (don't shoot the messenger, I hate them as much as anyone).

I would say ACC and Big XII sit way atop the CBB world in both depth and quality. Pretty similar resumes so far.
 
mj4cy said:
Also "Not to be picky, but there is a difference between deepest and best. The Big 12 arguably is the deepest conference in the country, with eight of its 10 teams likely to get an NCAA bid. But best? It is not the best. Of those eight teams, how many look like Sweet 16-at-best teams versus Final Four contenders? Maybe two -- Kansas and Iowa State. Meantime, the ACC has two teams that will be legit Final Four picks (Duke and Virginia), one pretty good long shot (North Carolina) and one team that on a good shooting day has a chance (Louisville). Then add in Notre Dame, capable of a two-weekend run, and NC State, another tough out, and the ACC is the best league in the nation."
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ESPN makes money off of disagreement. Too many people were falling into the "Big 12 is the best" category, so they needed to shake it up. They went the opposite way when SEC football was king. When everyone agreed "SEC is the best," ESPN decided to stir up disagreement by saying "SEC will never be beaten again and is the only thing that matters." Pretty typical ESPN m.o.
 
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