I think the reason Mac takes more heat than Chiz did..
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It's because basketball is far easier to turn around, you need one or two guys to really turn a team around and alot of times, these guys can come in and play as freshmen and make an imapct. Football takes alot more time, there isn't AAU allowing guys to play against top notch competition so the transition from HS to college is a much bigger jump, the guys need more time to get acclimated, more time in strength and conditioning. We still won't know how well Chizik did untill this year and next.
I totally agree with the time thing. It's year 3, we aren't in any better shape, post season wise, than we were when Mac took over. IMO, another part of it is the time that Mac has had here. This is his 3rd year. I think we all knew that nothing would have put Chizik on the Hot seat last year. Had he stayed and we had another 2 or 3 win season, I think there would have been plenty of heat on Chizik.
The other glaring thing I see with Mac is the level of improvement. So far, in 3 years, I don't see anything that makes me think next year will be any different from the past 3.
The other glaring thing I see with Mac is the level of improvement. So far, in 3 years, I don't see anything that makes me think next year will be any different from the past 3.
Good and accurate post. I was just trying to point out that very few people actually know who the assistants are in basketball. The headcoach is central to everything.
I think it has to do with past relative success of the two programs at ISU. While the football team went to a few bowl games, they were very minor games. Other than the Rosenfels-led team that beat Pitt in Phoenix, I wouldn't consider any of them anything to get overly excited about. In short, the football program has been "below-average" for twenty plus years.
On the other side of the equation, the basketball team got to within a game of the Final Four! While they didn't achieve a lasting perch at that level, they were still competitive and knocked off some rated teams every season. GMac was doing the same thing over at UNI. In short, the basketball program has been "above-average" for the past twenty plus years and we hired a coach who's done great things with fewer resources in his past.
In a nutshell, I'd submit that, year in and year out, right or wrong, the expectations for the basketball team are simply higher at ISU. As the B-ball team continues to struggle, Greg's taking the heat from the fans.
I might get labelled "Mr. Obvious" for this, but I really think it's that simple.
On the other side of the equation, the basketball team got to within a game of the Final Four! While they didn't achieve a lasting perch at that level, they were still competitive and knocked off some rated teams every season. GMac was doing the same thing over at UNI. In short, the basketball program has been "above-average" for the past twenty plus years and we hired a coach who's done great things with fewer resources in his past.
In a nutshell, I'd submit that, year in and year out, right or wrong, the expectations for the basketball team are simply higher at ISU. As the B-ball team continues to struggle, Greg's taking the heat from the fans.
I might get labelled "Mr. Obvious" for this, but I really think it's that simple.
Yep, our bball is totally stuck on stupid. At least in fball the defense collapsed like the economy and we are looking for a dead cat bounce next year.
Its because basketball is easier and takes less time to turn around. In basketball you just need a handful of good recruits in football you need a couple dozen.
Plus, history has shown us that it is much easier to win at Basketball at ISU than football.
One thing is for sure, Gmac's gameday coaching is exponentially bettter than the Chiz.
Plus, history has shown us that it is much easier to win at Basketball at ISU than football.
One thing is for sure, Gmac's gameday coaching is exponentially bettter than the Chiz.
There are a number of reason and I don't think any of them have to do with not knowing where to pass the blame.
First, there were allot of screaming fans at the end of football season this past year, but it was only Chizik's second season and he did demoted his coordinators (showing that he wasn't satisfied).
This is Mac's forth season and he still hasn't shown improvement, nor has he made changes with staff. The only changes he has made were to replace the coaches that left him.
Iowa State has had more success in basketball than football. In basketball over the past ten years, we have won 2 Big12 titles (which I believe is second only to Kansas for most Big12 titles) and have been to the Elite 8. In football over the past 100 years, we have two shares of a conference title (I think: one Big12 North, one Missouri valley).
First, there were allot of screaming fans at the end of football season this past year, but it was only Chizik's second season and he did demoted his coordinators (showing that he wasn't satisfied).
This is Mac's forth season and he still hasn't shown improvement, nor has he made changes with staff. The only changes he has made were to replace the coaches that left him.
Iowa State has had more success in basketball than football. In basketball over the past ten years, we have won 2 Big12 titles (which I believe is second only to Kansas for most Big12 titles) and have been to the Elite 8. In football over the past 100 years, we have two shares of a conference title (I think: one Big12 North, one Missouri valley).
Exactly. You have 22 starters in FB and you really need to be 2 deep at every position because of the nature of the sport which means you likely need 35-40 guys minimum that can play to be competitive. In BB you need a couple of guys that can really play and some decent role players and you can compete.
What year did ISU tie for the Big 12 North title in football? I must have been stoned and missed it!
Considering you went to K-State, that makes absolutely perfect sense.:biglaugh:
Football has had its moments of success, but not as consistent as basketball. I think Gmac is taking alot of heat because of that, both sports take time to rebuild. Basketball should take less time than football, but sometimes that is not the case especially when you have players leave the program like the ISU men bball team has had here of late. Unfortunately for us that sets us back another year or two years because we are not deep in key positions. I see the recruiting getting better in both sports especially in basketball because we are behind the times in talent level in key positions right now our record shows that.
I think Greg can coach, but the talent of the other team just takes over eventually and that is what hurts us right now. In football we have signifacant upgrades at OC and DC and in my opinion Head Coach we have experience on this staff now so things should get better and recruiting will get better as well. I think the future is brighter for both programs, I think the basketball team needs to be a little meaner though.
Chiz didn't lose his best player 3 years running. Chiz would have started taking MAJOR heat if he didn't have a decent record this fall.
Chiz came in with a lot of credibility as a "big name" and "hot hire" -- it was never clear why -- which seemed to bring him immunity. Greg came in labelled as a "UNI guy" and didn't generate the excitement that Chiz did. But that status would not have carried Chiz any further. Had he stayed and posted a 2- to 4-win season in 2009, which was likely, he would have had fans booing him and calling for his head.