Here ya go fellas, this should go over well!
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But, this can't be!! The Big Ten is terrible- everyone knows that. It's big and slow, and the Big XII is fast and awesome. Who is this Mark Schlabach anyway? He's clearly never watched a college football game in his life so why should anyone care what he says?
"The Big Ten's overall depth still isn't great -- see Michigan's 25-point loss to Illinois last week -- but the conference still seems deeper than the Big 12."
That's what I call a ringing endorsement with some deep logical reasoning employed to support it...
That's what I call a ringing endorsement with some deep logical reasoning employed to support it...
The problem with the Big 10 is that they haven't beaten anyone in non conference play. I'm not saying that the Big 12 is all that right now, but I think the Big 10 will have their typical bowl showing this year.
Iowa over AZ and ISU are the Big 10's best non conference wins right now. Neither is overwhelming by any stretch of the imagination. That said, the Big 12 has nothing to hang our hats on w/losses to Miami, BYU, and Houston, and the best wins being against Georgia and Illinois.
Iowa over AZ and ISU are the Big 10's best non conference wins right now. Neither is overwhelming by any stretch of the imagination. That said, the Big 12 has nothing to hang our hats on w/losses to Miami, BYU, and Houston, and the best wins being against Georgia and Illinois.
Michigan over #22 Notre Dame is probably a bigger OOC win for the conference than Iowa over ISU.
If you're going to knock the Big 10 on its lack of impressive OOC wins, you have to knock both the SEC and the Big 12. The Big 10 has OOC wins over two teams currently in the BCS top 25. The SEC has one. The Big 12 has none.
Absolutely, I was going to point out the Notre Dame win for Michigan as well. You all have to realize what college football has become. There are not a lot of teams that go out of their way to schedule huge OOC games, so there are very few opportunities to post big wins like this. This is not just the Big Ten. The fact that of the SEC, Big Ten and Big XII, there has only been 3 OOC wins against the Top 25 makes this pretty clear.
There are really only a few programs that consistently go out and schedule tough OOC games any more. Texas has in recent years, Ohio State has with series with UT and USC. Colorado has, but they never win any of them. There's just not that many opportunities to pick up big OOC wins because teams are not scheduling them. Nobody wants to eliminate themselves from BCS contention with a loss or two in the non-conference because they scheduled way over their heads.
I saw that. I've just seen several posts recently banging on the Big 10 for its lack of big OOC wins, and they fail to realize or acknowledge that the Big 10 has more impressive OOC wins than the SEC.
I don't think either conference has looked that spectacular, but that can be said for just about everybody. No league has really been that dominant. Everybody can play with everybody and just about everybody can suffer a really embarrassing loss on just about any weekend.
The Big 12 pretty much is Texas and everybody else right now. Oklahoma, injuries aside, shouldn't have 3 losses, but they do and that's that.
The Big 12 pretty much is Texas and everybody else right now. Oklahoma, injuries aside, shouldn't have 3 losses, but they do and that's that.
+1 You'd have to be blind not to see the Big 12 is down this year. Texas is pretty good however.
Wow the Big 10 is rated just above the Big 12. Woo hoo....
The guy just moved the Big 10 in front of the Big 12. That would mean anyone who previously said the Big 12 was better than the Big 10 was correct. Of course, that couldn't be based on the drool covered posts left by hawkeye fans over the past few weeks.
Such a dilemma for the simpleton hawkeye fans.
Nah, we've known the Big 10's better all season. It's just that now all you complex ISU/Big 12 fans are admitting it too.
Here's the thing. I don't know that the B12 will be an elite conference on par with the SEC next year either. OU loses everybody, and I mean everybody. Look at their two deeps and it's really shocking the amount starters and seniors they lose. Texas loses the Golden Boy and his favorite target, as well as Kindle & Ulatoski. Okie St. loses Bryant, Robinson, Perrish Cox, Okung, Toston and potentially Hunter, though he's been banged up, so he might come back. Baylor loses their entire defense and TTU will lose a good portion of their lines as well as some seniors here and there.
You'll notice that I left out A&M, and they'll lose some guys, but those guys return virtually everyone on offense. If they can field any kind of defense next year, we could finally be looking at someone breaking the string of UT/OU dominance in the South.
As for the North, well, it's probably not going to be much better next year, especially KU losing their entire offense (Briscoe will leave, I guarantee it). Nebraska is going to lose a lot on defense and the offense will probably be improved, but really, how can it not? Colorado will have some losses on the defensive side of the ball, but Stewart will be back, and he's really the only good thing they have going for them at this point anyway. K-St. could be kind of intriguing. The losses aren't that great and we all know what Snyder can do with JUCOs (potential North champs?). Mizzou should be better. They're heavy on sophomores right now, and they're already pretty competitive, so I would probably expect a decent year out of them next year.
As for ISU, we'll lose our entire defense and our best receiver & OL, but after that, the returning pieces will be nice. I expect the offense (as long as they're healthy) to really put some points on the board next year (and they're probably going to have to). The schedule next year is extremely daunting, but if there's ever a year to get UT, OU & TTU on your schedule, it's going to be next year.
2010 probably isn't going to be a banner year for the B12 and there might be 1-3 potential teams in the NC chase (depending upon how UT & OU's youngins' step up), but 2011 is probably going to be the year the conference regains its position as an elite challenger to the SEC.
You'll notice that I left out A&M, and they'll lose some guys, but those guys return virtually everyone on offense. If they can field any kind of defense next year, we could finally be looking at someone breaking the string of UT/OU dominance in the South.
As for the North, well, it's probably not going to be much better next year, especially KU losing their entire offense (Briscoe will leave, I guarantee it). Nebraska is going to lose a lot on defense and the offense will probably be improved, but really, how can it not? Colorado will have some losses on the defensive side of the ball, but Stewart will be back, and he's really the only good thing they have going for them at this point anyway. K-St. could be kind of intriguing. The losses aren't that great and we all know what Snyder can do with JUCOs (potential North champs?). Mizzou should be better. They're heavy on sophomores right now, and they're already pretty competitive, so I would probably expect a decent year out of them next year.
As for ISU, we'll lose our entire defense and our best receiver & OL, but after that, the returning pieces will be nice. I expect the offense (as long as they're healthy) to really put some points on the board next year (and they're probably going to have to). The schedule next year is extremely daunting, but if there's ever a year to get UT, OU & TTU on your schedule, it's going to be next year.
2010 probably isn't going to be a banner year for the B12 and there might be 1-3 potential teams in the NC chase (depending upon how UT & OU's youngins' step up), but 2011 is probably going to be the year the conference regains its position as an elite challenger to the SEC.
Honestly when you have teams like texas AM, Kansas St, Iowa St, Baylor, Nebraska, Mizzou, which is half of the conference, you guys should be happy your 4th.
I can't believe he had the MAC rated above the Sun Belt, what games is he watching? The Sun Belt has SEC-talent kids from those talent-rich southern states who can't quite make it in either the SEC, or Conference USA.
Where are the powerhouse 1-AA conferences whose would teams would pound the Big Ten? The CAA won three games against the ACC earlier this year, right? The SOCON is loaded, and the Missouri Valley Football Conference has a team that nearly beat the #4 team in the BCS standings. Thats scary good.
Where are the powerhouse 1-AA conferences whose would teams would pound the Big Ten? The CAA won three games against the ACC earlier this year, right? The SOCON is loaded, and the Missouri Valley Football Conference has a team that nearly beat the #4 team in the BCS standings. Thats scary good.
Very good points. Next year could be the year that ISU picks of one of the B12 South giants.
The Big 10 is just the opposite. Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, OSU return quite a bit and could all be very good next year. Obviously, early departures could change that but as of right now the Big 10 looks to be a pretty good conference next year