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KG - i have to ask though, is this the same "Coachable" aspect that got McDermott in trouble his first 2-3 years here in recruiting? Coachable is fine at UNI, but against the Big 12, coachable may not get it. We've all discussed the recruiting aspect, but, the bottom line is, the talent level has really stepped up at all the other positions, except center.
I wonder why they've stepped up the recruiting more talented players at all the other positions but center?? They still revert back to developing players from diamonds in the rough then getting a skilled player and developing him into a superstar.....
I just get a bit worried when nobody else is recruiting a kid - AT ALL.....Its not like other schools havent heard of him.....nothing against him, just think the way for this program to get to where it should be is to be recruiting the highest caliber kids they can. Not to mention with our practice facility just opening, we should be using it as a recruiting tool......getting a diamond in the rough, is not recruiting to the programs capabilities, its filling a scholarship.
For big 12 play, we need an athlete in the middle. With the likes of Texas, Baylor, KU, Oklahoma, not to mention all the others, the middles have become more and more athletic. If nothing else, we need an athletic defender, even if he only averages 8 points a game, we need someone that can be athletic enough to defend the talented big men we will see in the big 12, i hope we get one. I would love to see us go after a guy like Jordan Threloff who's a lot closer to be ready to play big 12 basketball, and geographically, we have a very good shot at landing him.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recr...ng/tracker/player?recruitId=98012&season=2010
If you want a project why not go after a kid like Shawn Jackson, his evaluation makes him sound like he would be a fan favorite....but then again - why nobody else recruiting him (academics)????
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recr...ng/tracker/player?recruitId=97892&season=2010
Here's ESPNs rating of Haley...
August, 2009: Haley has an impressive frame with broad shoulders and long arms, but he is a major project. He plays with passion, runs hard, and he has decent hands, but he struggles converting in the paint area. He is very mechanical when posting up and doesn't possess the savvy or athleticism to score in traffic most of the time. However, he does have a nice touch out to the elbow and could be productive in a pick and roll and a pick and pop set. Haley does have some intangibles (length and heart) that coaches look for in a big, but he'll need a redshirt year to get stronger and to hone his offensive game.
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Good post...
but it made me chuckle a little bit...Staff knows he is a major project. Trust me there is nothing to worry about at this point.
but it made me chuckle a little bit...Staff knows he is a major project. Trust me there is nothing to worry about at this point.
Wayne Morgan had the talent but could not coach. All players need to be coachable.
I don't understand why you are killing Gmac on his first few years. It takes time to build a program. I killed him for not keeping more kids at ISU when he first got here. After that his recruiting has been fine. It's just is hard to do without success.
Based off the information I have...very doubtful. Still a lot of variables playing out, so I don't have a lot of concrete answers.
It doesn't help that the best center we had a shot at committed to Wisconsin along time ago in Evan Anderson. I realize that it was a long shot from the beginning.
Most people just need to realize that recruiting comes with winning and connections. ISU has the connections but untill the winning starts the top notch recruits from around the country wont start coming.
Along with winning you gotta show that you can win for just more than one season. Say we had a great season this year, well the recruiting for the year would be more over than not at that point. When you have a good season it usually takes a year or two for the recruits to come in. for football it could take several good years of winning for them to come in.
for basketball with our connections having 2 really good years would go along ways toward securing recruits for along time to come
Most people just need to realize that recruiting comes with winning and connections. ISU has the connections but untill the winning starts the top notch recruits from around the country wont start coming.
Along with winning you gotta show that you can win for just more than one season. Say we had a great season this year, well the recruiting for the year would be more over than not at that point. When you have a good season it usually takes a year or two for the recruits to come in. for football it could take several good years of winning for them to come in.
for basketball with our connections having 2 really good years would go along ways toward securing recruits for along time to come
Knownot - i hear what your saying i'm not bashin him, i actually think he has turned the corner and in a big way. I completely agree and disagree with you regarding recruiting though....Coachable is important, so is heart, work ethic, basketball iq, athleticism, coachable only means he will fit into a system. Some of those other traits help offset inferior talent, because we are competing against the big boys in KU, UT, OK, even Baylor, Okie St, Missouri all are recruiting better, more athletic players and were scrambling to keep up with Coachable players. We competed with everyone in the nation for Brackins services and he will soon be showing his skills at the next level, that means a lot to potential recruits. It shows a high ranking guy came into this program and got much better!!!!
Trust me, i have a lot of trust in our staffs evaluations. But, i cannot believe we don't step outside the DEVELOPMENT box on our big guys, we have at all the other positions. Go out and try to get a front line player with top tier talent. If you do not try, you will not succeed. Maybe one of these guys favorite player right now in college basketball is Craig Brackins....he may just want to come and pattern his game at the same place that Craig developed.
I really hope the kid turns out to be the next Kelvin Cato, get a center like that and i will be happy. But another Vroman wouldnt be bad either. Getting a center that can compete in the big 12 is a big task, you got power, you got face up, you got post moves, you have all facets. The best players to handle all of them is simply an athlete at the 5 spot. The points, rebounds etc etc, not very often does a Griffin come along, get an athlete down low and it helps all facets of the team.
Not what I meant by coachable...Eyes are wide open anxious to learn.
Still looking for bigs...just highly doubt we find and take one based on how the scholarship situation is playing out.
Again, there are very few sure thing centers out there. I'm sure our coaches aren't ignoring them.
Justin Hamilton was considered a major project... GMac coached him up and Ham was pretty solid as a freshman. We need another legit center
Coachable doesn't mean fitting a system. Teachable/Coachable are basically the same. If you are either one, you are willing to learn and take constructive criticism (coachable). I haven't read much of anything on this kid, but I will say from experience....If a guy is raw athletically or skillwise...and is still projected to be a big time player (any level)...being coachable is the number 1 quality you want.
As far as centers go, there are very few 'legit' centers out there. Not talentwise or skillwise, but in terms of a 'true' center. The game is fast changing to combo forwards...i.e. a 3 able to guard/play the 4 and a 4 who can go either up to the 5 or down to the 3....The European game has had a mammoth impact on the game. Every big guy wants to play like Dirk...inside-out, put the ball on the floor. It is only the nature of the game with the "bigs" being more athletically gifted now and are able to do things they couldn't 15 years ago.
There are not many true centers in the conference...Aldrich, the UT kid maybe...can't really think of any more honestly. When you think center, you think, low block, back to the basket...etc. There are not many kids out there like that. It is how the game has changed. What you see these days are a bunch of 4's who happen to play the 5 in college. Blake Griffin played the 5 mostly at OU and is a 3/4 in the NBA.
Having a true center in today's game limits soo much on what you can do offensively and defensively. A lot of coaches like to spread the floor these days and use the dribble drive or dribble weave to create kick out opportunities. Personally, I think you can get a lot more done on both ends of the floor with the combo forwards and 4's who can play the 5. Just my philosophy for the D-I level.
As far as centers go, there are very few 'legit' centers out there. Not talentwise or skillwise, but in terms of a 'true' center. The game is fast changing to combo forwards...i.e. a 3 able to guard/play the 4 and a 4 who can go either up to the 5 or down to the 3....The European game has had a mammoth impact on the game. Every big guy wants to play like Dirk...inside-out, put the ball on the floor. It is only the nature of the game with the "bigs" being more athletically gifted now and are able to do things they couldn't 15 years ago.
There are not many true centers in the conference...Aldrich, the UT kid maybe...can't really think of any more honestly. When you think center, you think, low block, back to the basket...etc. There are not many kids out there like that. It is how the game has changed. What you see these days are a bunch of 4's who happen to play the 5 in college. Blake Griffin played the 5 mostly at OU and is a 3/4 in the NBA.
Having a true center in today's game limits soo much on what you can do offensively and defensively. A lot of coaches like to spread the floor these days and use the dribble drive or dribble weave to create kick out opportunities. Personally, I think you can get a lot more done on both ends of the floor with the combo forwards and 4's who can play the 5. Just my philosophy for the D-I level.