Dwayne Pierce commits, third top 100 prospect in the 2024 class

[BWRhasnoAC]

Brockington and Kalscheur deserve some love.

They weren't as good of shooters as most of those guys on the list, but they broke out offensively on a fairly frequent basis. But both of them were two of the best perimeters defenders in school history.

There aren't many better two-way guards (Tinsley certainly is, for instance) on your list than those two.

They're just the higher end of what came to mind, which was to orchestrate my original point that Sullivan, though good, can't really compete with those names. Brockington was very good, So was Shayak, Clyburn (was he a guard?) A guy like Chris Babb comes to mind to what you're pushing towards though. He's top 5 on my list anyways.

 

[NATEizKING]

I still say Sullivan from time-to-time when shooting on a nerf hoop or a neighbors hoop.

 

[jackrabbit21]

I believe this is true - After Sullivan's freshman year (when he played with Tinsley, Horton, etc) ISU didn't win a single road game in the Big 12. That's a fairly damning stat to his status as a great player.

 

[TitanClone]

I don't get why he is held in such high regard as a player. I wouldn't rank him iny top 10 guards for ISU. He shot @10% on the road.

Sully was a Midwest guy who played his a** off. The stories about his mom putting mittens in the oven so he could get up his 1000 shots per day in the Minnesota winters are a thing of legend. I can't name 9 guys ahead of him, he's not top 5 but definitely top 10.

 

[Drew0311]

I believe this is true - After Sullivan's freshman year (when he played with Tinsley, Horton, etc) ISU didn't win a single road game in the Big 12. That's a fairly damning stat to his status as a great player.

Go look at Johny Orr's road record in the big 8. That don't mean we didn't have some ballers. We went 8-8 one year, made the tourny, all 8 wins were at home and 8 losses were on the road.

 

[Acylum]

Really looking to watching Pierce. His body reminds me a lot of THT.

 

[BryceC]

Sully was a Midwest guy who played his a** off. The stories about his mom putting mittens in the oven so he could get up his 1000 shots per day in the Minnesota winters are a thing of legend. I can't name 9 guys ahead of him, he's not top 5 but definitely top 10.

Pretty easy for me honestly:

Thompson
Stevens
Monte
Hoiberg
Grayer
Willoughby
Hornacek
Nurse
Tinsley
Stinson

That's not even counting all of the one year guys I'd take ahead of him. He had a great career but people get way out over their skis with him.

 

[NENick]

Pretty easy for me honestly:

Thompson
Stevens
Monte
Hoiberg
Grayer
Willoughby
Hornacek
Nurse
Tinsley
Stinson

That's not even counting all of the one year guys I'd take ahead of him. He had a great career but people get way out over their skis with him.

I know we're in the "position-less" era, but I don't think you can include Stevens and Grayer on this list. They were "small forwards." I agree that Jake was behind the rest on this list. Tyrese Halliburton too, if we're including 2-year guys.

 

[HFCS]

Pretty easy for me honestly:

Thompson
Stevens
Monte
Hoiberg
Grayer
Willoughby
Hornacek
Nurse
Tinsley
Stinson

That's not even counting all of the one year guys I'd take ahead of him. He had a great career but people get way out over their skis with him.

For just a 3 point specialist it's him or McGee as our best and Sullivan probably gets it because more games played, per game and per minute McGee was an insane shooter. I was looking at Big 12 records the other day and they are both still way up there for various 3pt #s which is kind of crazy because teams didn't shoot the three as much in Sullivan's day.

Agree for all around guards (point guards or combo or shooting guards) we've had a lot of greats including probably best pure point guard on the planet right now.

 

[BryceC]

I know we're in the "position-less" era, but I don't think you can include Stevens and Grayer on this list. They were "small forwards." I agree that Jake was behind the rest on this list. Tyrese Halliburton too, if we're including 2-year guys.

Yeah I didn’t include any one or two year guys. If I did he’d be like 20th on my list.

Stevens/Grayer were wings. Those are guards in my book.

 

[BryceC]

For just a 3 point specialist it's him or McGee as our best and Sullivan probably gets it because more games played, per game and per minute McGee was an insane shooter. I was looking at Big 12 records the other day and they are both still way up there for various 3pt #s which is kind of crazy because teams didn't shoot the three as much in Sullivan's day.

Agree for all around guards (point guards or combo or shooting guards) we've had a lot of greats including probably best pure point guard on the planet right now.

Or Christopherson. His splits are really close to Sullivan’s.

 

[isucy86]

I believe this is true - After Sullivan's freshman year (when he played with Tinsley, Horton, etc) ISU didn't win a single road game in the Big 12. That's a fairly damning stat to his status as a great player.

ISU didn't win many road Big12 games during Johnny's early years. Doesn't detract from Hornacek, Stevens or Grayer's legacy's.

It's more of an indicator of coaching style. Gotta be able to defend and rebound as a team to win on the road in conference play.

 

[HFCS]

Yeah I didn’t include any one or two year guys. If I did he’d be like 20th on my list.

Stevens/Grayer were wings. Those are guards in my book.

He was an undersized shooting specialist that was forced into a point guard role when the team's talent got thin immediately after those championship years.

I'd have loved to see him as a four year player where we had an obvious starting point guard with him every season and not just that year with Tinsley. He'd have been an absolute killer with a guard like Monte.

After Tinsley left Ricky Morgan was the only other option for a point guard and that didn't work out.

 

[seadog]

Go look at Johny Orr's road record in the big 8. That don't mean we didn't have some ballers. We went 8-8 one year, made the tourny, all 8 wins were at home and 8 losses were on the road.

You know that in the Big 8 they only played 14 conference games

 

[Pope]

ISU didn't win many road Big12 games during Johnny's early years. Doesn't detract from Hornacek, Stevens or Grayer's legacy's.

It's more of an indicator of coaching style. Gotta be able to defend and rebound as a team to win on the road in conference play.

Orr's coaching style definitely contributed to our opposite home and away records, but I believe the unbelievable home atmosphere (when Hilton Magic originally came to life) was just as big a factor.

 

[CyPunch]

 

[CycloneErik]

This Otz character is out of control.

 

[CycloneVet]

This Otz character is out of control.

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