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Does Baylor Cheat?
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I'm sorry, I can't see your posts because I can't get past your avatar of SCPF (Scott Christopherson's Punchable Face). :smile:With only 7 official visits instead of 12, I'm wondering what your hard working coaches and boosters are going to do with all their extra time and money. :smile:
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All I ever posted was that from a philosophical Occam's Razor standpoint it was much more likely that they cheat than that they magically turned into a blueblood college basketball recruiting school. Anybody with half a brain should have known that, but now it's verified that the simpler explanation was, as usual, the more true explanation.
Several CF posters who likely don't even understand that concept jumped down my throat. With the talent they've landed in hoops despite zero Big 12 championships this is likely just the tip of the ice berg.
I think jbh-something was the one leveling personal attacks at me for stating something incredibly obvious. He also used the word "slander" regarding my post with no idea how to correctly use the word. It's not slander for a rational person to comment that they think it's more likely Baylor's recruiting success is not on the level than that it's totally clean. That's common sense shaping a personal opinion, not slander.
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I will obviously take exception to this part. We just got through being investigated for 29 months by the NCAA. If all they found were phone calls (and as fate would have it, more details are coming out making some of those look even more harmless) and texts (a rule that is going the way of the buffalo this summer), then you can be pretty certain that there wasn't anything further. 29 months is a long time. If we were paying players, or any of the more dubious things that many people allege, the NCAA would have found something.
I'm not saying we're innocent victims in this whole thing, and I'm not saying I'm proud of what the coaching staffs have been doing, but I'm very confident that nothing more will come of this.
As Gary Parrish said:
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If you run a high-major program and come out of an investigation with nothing but phone calls, you should throw a damn party.
The NCAA investigation of Miami didn't yield anything either... it took a Yahoo! Sports investigation, and a disgruntled booster to blow the roof off that scandal.
So keep your "boosters" happy.
Also if this guy shows up on your campus you are screwed
Yep. The NCAA doesnt have nearly the power or resources it needs to find things (or maybe even just the will to). Just because they can't find it, doesnt mean it is not there. If there's smoke, there's probably fire... and there's definitely smoke at baylor.
Not sure if this is buried somewhere in this thread (or another)
Report: Baylor exceeds limit on phonecalls, texts - College Basketball News | FOX Sports on MSN
Report: Baylor exceeds limit on phonecalls, texts - College Basketball News | FOX Sports on MSN
Well I would disagree with Gary Parrish.
First of all, wasn't Baylor already on probation from the NCAA? I may be wrong about that, so that's a sincere question.
Second, in that quote he doesn't mention the part about the AAU coaches being asked to lie to the NCAA. That stinks of cover-up.
Color me shocked..
Also.. i would request a urine test from Brittany Griner... just...because.
she has a lower voice than i do for Christs sakes.
Also.. i would request a urine test from Brittany Griner... just...because.
she has a lower voice than i do for Christs sakes.
Baylor was already on probation up until 2010. That's the part where the NCAA could get us by the balls.
It does stink, and Morefield was fired (he technically "resigned," but that was to save some face) because of the situation. The whole Hanner Perea saga played out poorly on both IU's side and Baylor's.
Well, this is what they get for wearing those pansy neon uni's in the B12 Tourney/NCAA's. But still, cheaters...
Hey, at least it wasn't murder and a cover-up by their coach this time.
Hey, at least it wasn't murder and a cover-up by their coach this time.
The real issue is if those phone calls and texts (as innocent as they seem) helped drive Griner to the Bears then there is a real problem. She is the most dominant player and essentially won them a NCAA championship. Cheating is cheating. If you simply don't let the head coach recruit in July but she got Griner and a title by cheating then I say that is BS. Geez, I'd be making all kinds of phone calls if it meant a title and a slap on the wrist. NCAA is a joke.
The absence of other findings could mean that was all baylor did to cheat. Or it could be all that could be verified through a paper trail. There was a reason Capone was convicted of tax evasion and not murder. Perhaps Baylor was good at covering up the other. Even eye witness accounts need corraboration. Hence Tim Floyd coaching at UTEP even though someone saw him handing a recruit an envelop of cash.
There is a difference between being not guilty of something and being innocent. I fought a speeding ticket once (it was my 3rd in a year and was looking at losing my license) and got off because of a technicality. Legally, I was not guilty. But I wasn't exactly innocent.
So Baylor could be innocent of other wrong-doings. Or they could be not guilty of other wrong-doings. Just be careful of where you put blind allegiance.