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Cubs Fans....do you want Dale to stick around?

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Seems to be some talk about Dale going bye-bye very soon.

http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/09/27/patrick-mooney-and-jed-hoyer-on-the-managerial-decision/

I didn't have a ton of issues with his managing of the game, but I was concerned by what Kappy alluded to on KXNO the other day about Dale not being great at developing talent. Considering the strategy is building homegrown talent and not spending big money on veterans, developing talent would seem to be something we need in a manager.

Girardi's name is being thrown around as a potential replacement, but would he be good at developing talent?
 
Kapman is always looking to fire a Coach, and always wants a big name replacement. Unfortunately, for Starlin he is just not a good shortstop. He will probably go to Third when Baez comes up and so be it. Rizzo just may not be that good. Barney is a good infielder, but he has probably hit his ceiling. What can Dale do about it? I think they owe him an opportunity to Manage and develop the players they have been getting. He has stuck out the last couple years of limbo.

I would understand if Gardenhire became available, but not Girardi. I mean, Girardi has been with the Yankees, and he develops talent? Not anti-Girardi but that would not make sense. Kap has one of his man crushes on Girardi like he does with a lot of former players.
 
Not if they can get Girardi. Honestly, I'd fire him regardless because the younger players haven't really improved with him as manager.

Girardi was pretty good with the Marlins too, so he does have experience working with younger rosters.
 
Well, coming to the Cubs was a lose-lose situation for Dale. Under new management and a rebuilding mindset, he was given no players to win with.

That being said, the only problem I have with him is how bad he is at making bullpen moves.

If I had any power in the organization, I would ask him to become our bench coach and make Girardi our head. It's likely he won't stick around if Girardi comes in, but it's not like he'll have anywhere else to go as a head coach.
 
I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other. It's hard to tell how good of a manager Dale is or how much fault is his that Castro is having such a bad year.

I think Rizzo's bad year is being overhyped, it hasn't really been that bad.
 
gocubs2118 said:
I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other. It's hard to tell how good of a manager Dale is or how much fault is his that Castro is having such a bad year.

I think Rizzo's bad year is being overhyped, it hasn't really been that bad.
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it's bad for those people who only look at batting average.
 
Batting average is like taking a painting and describing it only using the word red.
 
ZJohnson said:
It has nothing to do with the Manager. The team is just plain awful.
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Sure, I'll buy that.

However, can you give any reasons why the Cubs should keep their current manager? He hasn't proved to be adept at managing his bullpen, his younger players haven't gotten better under his management, and it's pretty obvious his lockerroom leadership hasn't resulted in unexpected win totals. So, what exactly is he good at?
 
They should have just saved some money and kept Quade. Would have ended up in the same place.

Sveum isn't the reason this team sucks, I don't think there are managers who could make much out of this team.
 
ISUAlum2002 said:
They should have just saved some money and kept Quade. Would have ended up in the same place.

Sveum isn't the reason this team sucks, I don't think there are managers who could make much out of this team.
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I disagree slightly. I think here are a few managers in the league that could have gotten another dozen wins or so out of this team. I think the point is, what's the point of another 12 wins just so you can finish in 4th place in your own division? For that reason I didn't mind the hire and haven't really complained about his current employment. However, there's really no reason to keep him either if the club feels like it's about time to start trying to compete.
 
Sveum was never going to be the guy that manages the Cubs when (if) they ever get the talent to the big leagues to compete for the playoffs. They brought him in because he was cheap and desperate enough for a job that he'd do what Theo and Hoyer told him to do. I think it's been their plan all along to eventually hire a Girardi/Gardenhire type manager when he came available and the Cubs were close enough to competing that he would take the job.
 
Clark said:
Sure, I'll buy that.

However, can you give any reasons why the Cubs should keep their current manager? He hasn't proved to be adept at managing his bullpen, his younger players haven't gotten better under his management, and it's pretty obvious his lockerroom leadership hasn't resulted in unexpected win totals. So, what exactly is he good at?
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I'm not saying they should or shouldn't keep him. I just don't believe that he has had the talent to prove anything. They keep shipping players at the deadline over the last two years and he has had nothing to work with after July. Sure the young guys haven't improved, but you can't tell me that is strictly because of Dale.

I'm not going to argue because frankly I could give a ****. My interest in baseball has dropped significantly over the last three to four years. I used to watch every single Cubs game, but I haven't sat to watch a full game or more than two innings at a time for over two years. Heck, I bet I've watched a total of 10-15 innings all season this year. It has nothing to do with the product they put on the field, I am just not interested in wasting 3-4 hours on something that has actual play for a total of 15 minutes.
 
Not interested in looking it up but I thought I heard someone say that the six young guys the Cubs are playing are all hitting below 240.
 
I think now is the time to go all out for Girardi. It sounds like there is mutual interest between the Cubs and him. Honestly, the Cubs are not far from being potentially very good. Everyone zones in on batting averages but that hardly tells the story, Castro hasn't elevated to the star the Cubs have needed just yet, but he's still an elite talent at a premium position. Rizzo has taken big steps forward, same with Welington Castillo, and Lake has shown some potential. Young arms like Arrieta, Wood, Strop and Parker have started to emerge as well.

And just ask any baseball scout about the Cubs big 4 position prospects and they instantly are drooling. Baez will be up in 2014, Bryant and Soler have a shot at late 2014, and for certain 2015 and Almora should be ready by mid 2015. Not to mention that pitching prospects Pierce Johnson and CJ Edwards are no slouches.

Sign a few FA's (I'm really hoping they land Tanaka out of Japan) and you're looking at a team that is ready to compete in 2015.
 
I don't think Sveum has to go. However, if Joe Girardi, Mike Scioscia or Ron Gardenhire become available I would take them.
 
Well Theo is the savior, so this is something for him to figure out and not the fans.....Some compelling arguments looking at it both ways. Poor record, but he has very little experience on the team. Seems Castro and Rizzo went backwards this year(after signing big contracts), but they are young players. Is that the coach's fault? I think he should get another year, but this is business. If there are some hot managers with proven records available, why wouldn't you look at them. I maintain the Cub's franchise is a sleeping giant. Get the right mix of players and coaches and watch out.
 
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