Cubs acquire Aaron Heilman from M's
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I think this trade kills the Peavy deal. The Pads wanted Garrett Olson. Heilman will most likely be the Cubs long reliever and do some spot starts for tired or injured pitchers.
We'll see after spring training. Marshall, Gaudin and Heilman will compete for the #5 spot and whoever doesn't get it will be in the bull pen doing LR and spot starting. It'll be good to have a couple of guys who can give you 3 to 5 innings if needed.
Another thing to watch is to see what the Cubs do with Rich Hill. He's out of options so he'll have to clear waivers to pitch in the minors. Unless he starts the year on the DL.
I am trying to figure out what the cubs are trying to do this off season. Heilman? Really? The NL Central is there for the taking again. I don't understand why they can't just get Peavy and have a dominant rotation. Oh well, pitchers and catchers report soon!
The Cubs all ready have a dominant rotation, getting Peavy wouldn't have changed that. Nobody else in the division did anything, so the Cubs pitching should be fine. The Brewers got worse, and the Cards are going to hope Carpenters arm doesn't fall off.
Didn't Heileman pitch for the Mets last season. I could swear that he was part of the Mets bullpen, and not a good part at that. Maybe they just got him for the endorsement deal.
Didn't Heileman pitch for the Mets last season. I could swear that he was part of the Mets bullpen, and not a good part at that. Maybe they just got him for the endorsement deal.
Heilman was part of the Mets last year. He was part of the multi-team 12 player trade that sent JJ Putz to the Mets, that's how he ended up in Seattle.The Cubs all ready have a dominant rotation, getting Peavy wouldn't have changed that. Nobody else in the division did anything, so the Cubs pitching should be fine. The Brewers got worse, and the Cards are going to hope Carpenters arm doesn't fall off.
Didn't Heileman pitch for the Mets last season. I could swear that he was part of the Mets bullpen, and not a good part at that. Maybe they just got him for the endorsement deal.
I could go for an Old Style right now.
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The Cubs have as deep of an overall pitching staff as anyone, and Heilman sucks...Ronny Cedeno was a great guy to have coming off the bench, and could play multiple positions with a good glove if someone needed a day off...the Cubs just basically gave away Felix Pie and Ronny Cedeno to land a middle aged long reliever, who lacks good stuff and good command...
I'm upset with this move.
I'm upset with this move.
ME 2..Im going to laugh when felix and ronny both come out this year and have damn solid seasons
I can't believe they're still holding out on this one...didn't anyone learn from the Cubs/Prior debacle?
Ronny Cedeno had to be moved. There isn't much of a place for him on the roster and he had no options left so they couldn't send him down to AAA to free up a roster spot.
I do agree though that the net outcome of these trades has been one questionable pitcher, and that in and of itself is questionable.
I do agree though that the net outcome of these trades has been one questionable pitcher, and that in and of itself is questionable.
Pie was also down to his last year of AAA, if they brought him up, and sent him down one more time, their only option was to leave him there or bring him up For GOOD!
and he hasn't proven that he can hit, so they had to deal him, I don't blame them for doing this, but...I to will laugh if he has an outstanding year this year
and he hasn't proven that he can hit, so they had to deal him, I don't blame them for doing this, but...I to will laugh if he has an outstanding year this year
No one was knocking down the door to acquire a utility player with no pop or an OF who hasn't shown he can hit big league pitching yet. I do think they should have held onto Pie, though.
Cedeno was a very valuable player to last year's team...and with DeRosa gone, there would've been more at bats available for him this year...he can play multiple positions, and provides good defense, all while hitting for a decent average, plus he's still young...I'm hoping the big move is still on the way after these past couple trades...
The Cubs tend to overrate experience...last year Ward hit below .200 all year, and they kept them for their playoff roster...Bob Howry got lit up like a christmas tree all year, and they left him on their playoff roster...Sean Marshall outpitched Jason Marquis in spring training when the 5th spot of the rotation was "up for grabs" but Marquis got it...Marshall also was more consistant in the rotation than Marquis when he got his chances, but Marquis remained...heck, two years ago Marshall was solid for them for 4 1/2 months, but they felt they need to get Steve Trachsel, who had an era over 6 at the time...Trachsel got lit up 3 straight starts and that was it for him...Heilman is coming off of the worst year in his career, and has diminishing stuff, and we essentially gave up both Pie and Cedeno for him? Could've done better.
I won't disagree with you about Marshall. I think the Cubs have been giving him the shaft.
Regarding Cedeno, I think they would have been fine keeping him and forgetting about Aaron Miles, but the writing was pretty much on the wall once Miles was brought in. Miles is a better hitter and Cedeno is a better fielder. Who brings in more value? I don't know, but Ronny Cedeno is a dime a dozen. The fact that they brought in a pitcher who could be valuable is impressive to me.
I have nothing to add to your Marquis rant. I still can't believe that the Cubs even signed him. He came off an a year with an ERA over 6 and was left off the playoff roster of their biggest rival, adn they gave him $21 million.
What makes you say Heilman's stuff is diminishing? He's not past his prime, and his K rate was the highest it's been in his career. I don't think you improve your K rate with diminishing stuff. I know his ERA was up there, but his previous 3 seasons seemed to indicate that it was the exception and not the norm. Heilman seemed to be a classic case of needing a change of scenery. Seattle was probably going to use him as their closer, so I don't think they thought his stuff was gone.
He threw a lot more pitches, and had the highest bb/9inn. in his career...when you throw more pitches, your gonna strike out a few more people.