Breece Hall finishes sixth in 2020 Heisman Trophy voting
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Not too bad for a guy that was completely off the radar at the start of the season. With another year on the young OL, and he will be putting up bigger numbers. Purdy and the WRs need to step things up a little to so teams can't sell out to stop Hall, like TX and OU did in the CCG.
Something is broken when 3 of the top 5 players in the voting are from the same school.
The fact that only one defensive player has ever one the award tells you all you need to know. It’s an award for a QB or RB on the best team. Throw Mac Jones on Missouri’s team and he would likely be an average qb.
The fact that Troy Davis didn't win it tells you all you need to know.
That is fair and not fair. Mac has still has performed at an all-time level. Granted, if Alabama and Mizzou traded QBs, Mac Jones would probably not be the #1 rated QBR, but Mizzou would be better with him. Plus, the Mizzou QB would probably not be the #1 rated QBR if he played at Alabama. Mac was a 4* prospect out of a Florida H.S. Factory (Bolles School in Jax). Point is that GREAT players shouldn't have it held against them for playing with other GREAT players. They still have to perform, and Mac Jones has improved from his first few starts last year (when he was a pick 6 machine and tended to throw the ball too low). This year, he is throwing dimes.
Not really.
Mac is #1 in QBR. He is doing all-time stuff from an efficiency stand point.
Smith is #1 in receiving yards by a country mile. (He'd have my Heisman vote).
Najee is right behind Breece in rushing / total yards and has more TDs. (That's why they are the two All-American RBs and #5 and #6 in the Heisman voting).
The Alabama Trio are all having great years in their individual categories. None of them are artificially being propped up due to the name on their jersey. That being said, since there are other QBs playing at a high level too and Breece and Najee are basically equal, I think Smith is the best choice, because he clearly stands out above all of the other receivers (500 yards more than #2).
Bothered me more in 1995 than 1996 since he lost to another RB in 1995. At least in 1996, he lost to a QB who set all-time records. Either way, TD was the man, and it is great to see another Cyclone #28 be a Heisman Finalist! Breece will be the leading returning candidate next year. Think about what he accomplished this year without a head start, and he is very capable of winning the Doak Walker and / or Heisman next year!
Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great QB. But he’s also playing on one of the best college teams in recent memory. When you get to stand in a clean pocket and dish the ball out to a plethora of NFL wide receivers a lot of guys are going to look great. Purdy would be amazing if he had that kind of talent around him.
That's a solid apples for apples comparison actually, as Mac Jones has some negative tendencies that Tua didn't have (Tua saw the field better and threw the ball like a dart 99% of the time when he was healthy). Tua was better IMO.
No idea what would happen if the two teams traded QBs, but I think Iowa State would be as good or better with Mac, and Purdy would do better at Alabama (but I don't think he would lead FBS in QBR). So, ISU might win the Big Xii with Mac, and Alabama still wins the SEC with Purdy.
Good comparison, as I don't think Mac is head and shoulders over every QB. There are at least 4 that are really, really, really good too (Lawrence, Trask, Wilson, Fields, etc. who are also Heisman finalists) that are playing with great talent around them too. Heck Purdy is closer to that group than the next group.
BUT, Mac still has to perform to be the QBR leader regardless of how good the offense is. It's not like he is one of those serviceable QBs who just hands off and makes a good pass every once in a while. He was a 4* QB out of a Football Factory HS in Florida.
I just don't think GREAT players should be penalized for being on GREAT teams.
I have not seen much of Clemson but what has Travis Etienne done this season to be ahead of Breece Hall other than playing for Clemson with talent around him? Real talent is proven when you don’t play and made better by other other players around you. Not taking a shot at ISU players but Breece Hall is the best player considering that he doesn’t have to rely on the other 4-5 star players to show us that he is great, so screw everyone, Breece Hall is the heisman winner, period. Did a lot with less. Screw everyone, I know better. Grew up playing soccer in Africa( I hope that counts for something) 
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The fact that Breece outrushed Harris shows the name on the jersey matters.
Barely outrushed him, but Najee has more TDs and more yards receiving. They are very close statistically. Hence, they finished #5 and #6 in the Heisman voting, they are the two All-American RBs and 2 / 3 of the Doak Walker Finalists. Name on the jersey made no significant difference in this case IMO. They are the top 2 RBs in CFB, and they are being treated with the same respect.
Smith was surrounded by 5 star future NFL players while Breece’s offense is a bunch of three stars. Expectations for Smith should be higher because of that. Hall did more with less.
No, they’re artificially propped up by being surrounded by a bajillion five star recruits and future first round draft choices.
Have you counted just how many NFL wideouts Tua was throwing to last year? How many NFL running backs they had? How many NFL linemen were blocking for them?
tOSU was probably closest—and they weren’t that close. Clemson a distant third, because of OL talent.
It’s just silly. And now Camar Wheaton wants to go there and sit in line until his senior year.