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ANOTHER LOSS ON MESS

GoClones123

GoClones123

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I see the talent, the speed, the stable of running backs. I see the deep threat ability in our receivers for once. But I once again DO NOT SEE any creative play calling on offense, I see hardheaded play calling game after game (minus against Texas).

Q: Did anyone NOT call that the first play would be a run off tackle?

Q: Did anyone see ANYTHING different offensively? What's the definition of insanity?
 
Sure, Mess deserves some of the blame. But I am not seeing some of the positives you see on offense.
 
GoClones123 said:
I see the talent, the speed, the stable of running backs. I see the deep threat ability in our receivers for once. But I once again DO NOT SEE any creative play calling on offense, I see hardheaded play calling game after game (minus against Texas).

Q: Did anyone NOT call that the first play would be a run off tackle?

Q: Did anyone see ANYTHING different offensively? What's the definition of insanity?
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Mess also dropped all those balls, threw all those incompletions, missed all those blocks, and gave up 650+ yards...

Come on man, Mess deserves some of the blame, but to pin this loss on him? Laughable. The whole team, outside of Special Teams, was terrible yesterday.
 
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bawbie said:
The defense gave up 650 yds and 42 points.

With this team, 35 points needs to be enough to win.
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This. The only team that Tech has gained more yardage on this season was Stephen F. Austin. Anyone who wants to start dishing up blame for this loss, and doesn't mention the defense, is ridiculous.
 
What exactly are we trying to do on offense? What do you call that hot mess we put on the field?

My wife even picked up from watching other games, that ISU never forces the issue on defenses. Rarely do we use motion, or do we run the hurry up. Watching other teams, she says that coaching and playing against ISU has to be a breeze for most of ISU's opponents.

The best wrinkle has been the traditional option play. How about that a bunch and the deep ball?
 
joefrog said:
What exactly are we trying to do on offense? What do you call that hot mess we put on the field?

My wife even picked up from watching other games, that ISU never forces the issue on defenses. Rarely do we use motion, or do we run the hurry up. Watching other teams, she says that coaching and playing against ISU has to be a breeze for most of ISU's opponents.

The best wrinkle has been the traditional option play. How about that a bunch and the deep ball?
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Hot Damn, it's so simple! Someone email CPR with the idea!
 
bawbie said:
The defense gave up 650 yds and 42 points.

With this team, 35 points needs to be enough to win.
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I agree, but 42 pts is pretty much the standard for teams like TT, Baylor, Okie St, etc. That's a whole other issue. If we played in the Big 10, 35 pts would win you every game.

The defense was horrible though yesterday. TT probably should have scored 60+ on us yesterday, but they made some dumb mistakes too. This was a team loss, but you are right, you can't win giving up that kind of yardage.
 
SR was terrible, and who went into this game not believing tech was going to get a lot of yards? They almost always do, even in losses they put up yards. Why were all of those balls dropped? I contend it was because we used NO play action, no misdirection no creativity AT ALL. Just the same plays with a few different formations. If the defense knows 80+% of the time what you will do next then you have pressured QB throws and routes smothered, this was on the offense plain and simple. Our defense played ok considering they were on the field for 3 out of the 4 quarters.

I will concede we have several other issues however.
 
Mr Janny said:
This. The only team that Tech has gained more yardage on this season was Stephen F. Austin. Anyone who wants to start dishing up blame for this loss, and doesn't mention the defense, is ridiculous.
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Brilliant! We will send that along with your CPR letter!
 
And I see someone that doesn't understand that the offense lost that game as a unit yesterday. Mess deserves a share of the blame, but he was far from being the primary reason why we lost. In fact, I would place him third on my blame chart.

First and foremost, the offensive line was pathetic yesterday. They could not open any holes for the run game and at times Richardson had no time whatsoever to set before he was getting blown up in the back field. Urban Meyer would look like an offensive idiot if his offensive line blocked that way.

Second, QB play was bad yesterday beyond how bad the OL played. I don't know whether Sam is injured or has just plain regressed, but he is not playing well right now. When his decisions haven't been bad, his throws have been. Plus he's now locking onto receivers and not looking defenders off. And he's taking way too long to decide to abandon plays that have broken down to get what yards he can.

Third is Mess. Yeah, I get the frustration of continual 1st and 10 pass play destined not to work, second and ten running into the teeth of the defense, 3rd and long a pass play destined not to work, but it's getting hard to tell anymore whether it's all play calling or players failing to execute. You have to start leaning towards the latter when NOTHING is working. I mean, it gets repetitive and old - run up the middle is a bad play call, run to the outside is a bad play call, screen pass is a bad play call, long passes are bad play calls, and trick plays are bad play calls. What else is there left for him to call? I'm no fan of Mess, but at some point players have to execute the called play, which has not happened much of this year.

Fourth, the receivers. They can't shake coverage, they are poorly positionrd, and they often don't help out the QB by catching misthrown but catchable balls.

As has been the every year for as long as I can remember, this is a team failure that once again people think will be quickly remedied by changing out one part. I only wish it were that easy, because then we could stop having this conversation every year. But considering we have multiple threads every week, each of them placing all of the woes of the offense on one aspect, ought to be a sign that ALL aspects of this offense are failing.
 
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GoClones123 said:
SR was terrible, and who went into this game not believing tech was going to get a lot of yards? They almost always do, even in losses they put up yards. Why were all of those balls dropped? I contend it was because we used NO play action, no misdirection no creativity AT ALL. Just the same plays with a few different formations. If the defense knows 80+% of the time what you will do next then you have pressured QB throws and routes smothered, this was on the offense plain and simple. Our defense played ok considering they were on the field for 3 out of the 4 quarters.

I will concede we have several other issues however.
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They weren't though. TOP was pretty much dead even. And while yes, Tech does normally gain a lot of yards, they don't gain 650+ all that often. That's over 100 yard more than their season average. And it's not like they've played a murderer's row schedule so far.
 
GoClones123 said:
SR was terrible, and who went into this game not believing tech was going to get a lot of yards? They almost always do, even in losses they put up yards. Why were all of those balls dropped? I contend it was because we used NO play action, no misdirection no creativity AT ALL. Just the same plays with a few different formations. If the defense knows 80+% of the time what you will do next then you have pressured QB throws and routes smothered, this was on the offense plain and simple. Our defense played ok considering they were on the field for 3 out of the 4 quarters.

I will concede we have several other issues however.
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Where do I start with where you're wrong?

Time of possession was within 30 seconds for both teams. TT ran 101 plays. We ran 78.

I don't know what game you were watching but we use playaction....almost too much. Our problem is neither Sam nor the RBs sell it.

Our receivers didn't drop too many balls yesterday....Sam didn't deliver enough worth a **** for them to drop. The best throws he had Bundrage ran terrible routes on and they ended up out of bounds.
 
clonedude said:
I agree, but 42 pts is pretty much the standard for teams like TT, Baylor, Okie St, etc. That's a whole other issue. If we played in the Big 10, 35 pts would win you every game.

The defense was horrible though yesterday. TT probably should have scored 60+ on us yesterday, but they made some dumb mistakes too. This was a team loss, but you are right, you can't win giving up that kind of yardage.
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Not against us!
 
Mr Janny said:
Mess also dropped all those balls, threw all those incompletions, missed all those blocks, and gave up 650+ yards...

Come on man, Mess deserves some of the blame, but to pin this loss on him? Laughable. The whole team, outside of Special Teams, was terrible yesterday.
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This is my take as well. At least the offense capitalized on Tech's mistakes. We're it not for those errant turnovers, the score would've been real ugly. This was another game where the score did not reflect what happened on the field. ISU was completely dominated on both sides of the ball the entire game. I know lots of your fans are spinning this as only a 7 pt loss to a ranked team, but they were given gift after gift. Most teams don't lose with a 95 yd td return and the other team coughing the ball up multiple times inside their own 30. If ISU is going to improve both sides of the line need to improve substantially.
 
BlackHawk said:
This is my take as well. At least the offense capitalized on Tech's mistakes. We're it not for those errant turnovers, the score would've been real ugly. This was another game where the score did not reflect what happened on the field. ISU was completely dominated on both sides of the ball the entire game. I know lots of your fans are spinning this as only a 7 pt loss to a ranked team, but they were given gift after gift. Most teams don't lose with a 95 yd td return and the other team coughing the ball up multiple times inside their own 30. If ISU is going to improve both sides of the line need to improve substantially.
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I actually think it's not going too far out on the limb saying that Tech just isn't as good as their 6-0(?) record suggests. They've looked like world beaters against a soft schedule, and they out gained us by 400 yards only to beat us by 7. Yeah, they gave up multiple chances that kept us in the game, but that's precisely my point. Great teams don't give up those chances in the first place, and if they do they don't allow the other team to take advantage of it.
 
Mr Janny said:
Mess also dropped all those balls, threw all those incompletions, missed all those blocks, and gave up 650+ yards...

Come on man, Mess deserves some of the blame, but to pin this loss on him? Laughable. The whole team, outside of Special Teams, was terrible yesterday.
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This. Play calling is some of the problem and execution is MOST of the problem.
 
Agree, and I am not talking about sub-par play-calling and even worse overall strategy. Different guys, same fundamental mistakes. What on Mess's resume suggests he is competent at teaching these guys intricacies of this offense?
 
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